Talk:South Africa national soccer team/Archive 1

Archive 1

Clarification about World Cup record

The opening paragraph says that they tried to take all white, and all black teams to the 1966 and 1970 World Cups, and were then suspended in 1974. The World Cup record lower down suggests that they were banned from 1966 onwards. Could someone familiar with the situation please clarify it? Thanks. KeithD 11:10, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

I was coming here to talk about the same thing. Some research indicates that they were suspended from FIFA in 1962 re-admitted in 1963. Then in 1964 (not 1974) they were suspended again after they announced that they would send a white side to the 66 qualifiers and a black side to the 1970 qualifiers. - See - http://www.news24.com/News24/Sport/SA_2010_bid/0,,2-9-1606_1523624,00.html Jooler 10:17, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Further research indicates that what happened was the the 1964 Conference of FIFA was in Tokyo and that the larger than normal African and Asian contingent overcame European resistance and voted to suspend them. Jooler 12:15, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Coach

Somewhen before 1994, Dieter Widmann was Choach of the national football team. (he is now teacher in germany). Don't know, when he was there, i'll add him without date —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 217.228.24.78 (talk) 18:34, 20 March 2007 (UTC).

New Coach

Confirmed by both international press and himself, Joel Santana is the new coach. [1] [2] --201.79.218.204 (talk) 20:45, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

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'09 Confederations Cup

I don't know enough about editing Wikipedia to do it myself, but in the section regarding South Africa's Confederations Cup record, the box for the 2009 tournament needs the red border that signifies that the tournament was held on home soil. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.17.2.142 (talk) 00:58, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

First international

As the first international match played by the South African football team we have a friendly against the Netherlands in 1924, but the Elo ratings web site lists before that one friendly with Argentina on 9 July 1906 (in Argentina). The South African Union wasn't created until 31 May 1910, but maybe someone can find out if FIFA considers it the first match played by the national team anyway. Afasmit (talk) 04:15, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Kits

I think they should be reversed. The Away kit for some reason is the home kit and the home kit is the away kit. Can anyone fix this?--BeaverOtter28 (talk) 05:57, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

I fixed it (hopefully with no mistakes). See [3] for pictures of the players in the confederations cup 09. Notice that versus Brazil they are dressed in green but versus Spain they are dressed in yellow. If green was their home colour, then they would be dressed in green versus Spain. --SuperJew (talk) 14:12, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

I think that the home kit's socks are incorrect, I am quite sure that they were yellow socks. I am not exactly sure how to change the colour to yellow, so can someone else please change it? Thanks Crazydude22 (talk) 09:17, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Logo at top of page

The logo which is shown is the SAFA logo. Would it not be better to replace it with the Bafana Bafana logo, those 2 stars? 41.145.254.58 (talk) 15:03, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

I would also like to replace the SAFA logo at the top of the page with the Bafana Bafana logo, as can be seen here:[4]. Crazydude22 (talk) 06:39, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Squad

The current squad is outdated. The new one can be seen here[5]. Can someone please update the the squad? Crazydude22 (talk) 13:15, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

New 29 man squad was announce today: Goalkeepers: Emile Baron (SuperSport United), Moeneeb Josephs (Orlando Pirates), Itumeleng Khune (Kaizer Chiefs)

Defenders: Matthew Booth, Siboniso Gaxa, Siyanda Xulu, Innocent Mdledle (all Sundowns), Bongani Khumalo (SuperSport), Thabo Nthethe (Bloemfontein Celtic), Siyabonga Sangweni, Lucas Thwala (Pirates)

Midfielders: Franklyn Cale, Surprise Moriri, Lebohang Mokoena (all Sundowns), Daylon Claasen (Ajax Amsterdam, Holland), Lance Davids (Ajax Cape Town), Andile Jali, Teko Modise (both Pirates), Thanduyise Khuboni (Golden Arrows), Daine Klate (SuperSport), Reneilwe Letsholonyane, Siphiwe Tshabalala (both Chiefs), Tlou Segolela (Celtic)

Strikers: Kermit Erasmus (Excelsior Rotterdam, Holland), Thulasizwe Mbuyane, Gert Schalkwyk (both Pirates), Katlego Mphela (Sundowns), Richard Henyekane (Arrows) and Thulani Serero (Ajax CT).

Can someone please put them in the squad table, thanks. Crazydude22 (talk) 11:39, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Why isn't Steven Pienaar in the squad?74.101.124.213 (talk) 20:49, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

What the heck have people been doing with this section? Brian Baloyi is not in the squad. I will try to fix the squad myself. Crazydude22 (talk) 14:54, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Reverts

I made a revert to the revision as of a few hours ago because of section removal. I saw that it looked like some content was disputed. If there is anything that needs to be put back, feel free to edit it back in. -- /DeltaQuad|Notify Me\ 21:10, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

World Cup exit

"Unfortunately, even after defeating France 2-1 in their final game of the Group Stage, they failed to progress to the next round of the tournament, becoming the first host nation not to do so."

"Unfortunately" doesn't give a very objective tone. Even you read it as "unfortunately for them", which most readers won't, it's unnecessary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.181.95.221 (talk) 10:38, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Pre 1992 teams

Was there a national football time befor 1992 like the Springboks which existed despite the boycott? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.83.125.242 (talk) 11:49, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

There were different FAs, which did sometimes select teams. I know that the 'white' FA had a team in the 1966 WC qualifiers, but it later pulled out. More should be added about these older teams though. Crazydude22 (talk) 15:57, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Bafana bafana?

Why are they called Bafana Bafana? What does that mean? --Awiseman 21:06, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

It Means "The Boys"--BeaverOtter28 (talk) 21:13, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes, in what language? Zulu? Xhosa? —Wiki Wikardo 17:07, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

I think it's both... but from what I can find it's actually 'abafana'? CodeCat (talk) 02:05, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Requested move 17 January 2019

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: do not move. (closed by non-admin page mover) Warm Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 17:18, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

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• South Africa national football team → South Africa national soccer team
• South Africa national under-23 football team → South Africa national under-23 soccer team
• South Africa national under-20 football team → South Africa national under-20 soccer team
• South Africa national under-17 football team → South Africa national under-17 soccer team
• South Africa national development football team → South Africa national development soccer team
• South Africa women's national football team → South Africa women's national soccer team
• South Africa women's national under-17 football team → South Africa women's national under-17 soccer team

– As noted in this post at WT:FOOTY in April 2018, it is time to once and for all to determine whether football or soccer is more widely in South Africa. At the moment we have Soccer in South Africa and the national teams article use football. There is also the albeit unreferenced section in Names for association football#Other English-speaking countries that states that In South Africa, "soccer" is the more common name. I should also point out the requested move discussion for moving the overview article to Football in South Africa was opposed back in 2011. – Ianblair23 (talk) 10:25, 17 January 2019 (UTC) --Relisting. Steel1943 (talk) 22:58, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. – Ianblair23 (talk) 10:25, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

• Comment - no comment on whether we should use 'football' or 'soccer' or even 'association football' - but whatever is decided, there should be uniformity. If we have Soccer in South Africa then all related articles/categories should use 'soccer'; if it's decided to keep the articles at 'football' then Soccer in South Africa should be renamed accordingly. GiantSnowman 10:34, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

100% agree with Giant Snowman's comment above. – Ianblair23 (talk) 11:07, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Also agree, I'm neutral on the name though I strongly agree whatever the outcome that there be full uniformity. I previously opened a discussion at WP:FOOTY back in May regarding this issue, though I delayed in opening a move discussion because of the uncertainty. In the discussion, I also added a (roughly) complete list of articles which would need to be moved should 'football' or 'soccer' be chosen (though biographies created since May will be missing). S.A. Julio (talk) 02:41, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

• Comment We have United States men's national soccer team, other elements like 2010 FIFA World Cup which raised the level of the sport have to be taken into account, even FNB Stadium was referred to as Soccer City. So I wouldn't say no to this move. But what you suggest moving the article titles too?? Surely you mean, South Africa national under-23 soccer team and not South Africa soccer under-23 football team which you're proposing. Govvy (talk) 11:17, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi Govvy, apologies. Article targets have be fixed. PS we also have Australia national soccer team and Canada men's national soccer team – Ianblair23 (talk) 11:28, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose for two reasons. The first reason is when I tried to search the web for "South Africa football team", I didn't find anything related to rugby in the first 5 pages. Everything was related to the South Africa national football team or the football in the country. The second reason is that the football governing body in the country is called "South African Football Association", not something like "South African Soccer Association", so definitely it would be better to keep those articles with the current names. Ben5218 (talk) 11:42, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose - given that the South African governing body is called the South African Football Association; that's good enough for me. Contrast with United States Soccer Federation and Canadian Soccer Association for examples above (although strangely the Football Federation Australia, which was 'Soccer' until 2005...a different conversation for a different day). GiantSnowman 08:50, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

• Well yes, the governing body uses football but what about the media? The Times, The South African, The Daily Sun, City Press, The Star, The Citizen, Mail and Guardian, Sport24 all use soccer instead of football. – Ianblair23 (talk) 02:06, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

• Comment I notified both WP:FOOTBALL and WP:ZA about this RM request. Cheers – Ianblair23 (talk) 02:33, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME, as "National Football Team" appears to be a more-used phrase than "National Soccer Team," even though soccer is the country's general disambiguator. (Though per WP:COMMONNAME we may as well rename them to Bafana Bafana :) ) SportingFlyer T·C 02:47, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
• Procedural comment: the proposed titles within the template and below the template do not match. Dekimasuよ! 05:31, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

Fixed. Thanks Dekimasu. Cheers – Ianblair23 (talk) 05:37, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

• Support. Per MOS:ENGVAR. The club "football" is also governed by the Premier Soccer League. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.15.225.128 (talk) 23:27, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
• Support. Ianblair23's evidence suggests that while both forms are in use, "soccer" is more common.--Cúchullain ^t/c 15:01, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose per GiantSnowman and Ianblair the term football clearly is in common use in South Africa, and indeed is the name used by the national federation. Per WP:RETAIN we should not be moving the article just to switch form one variety of English to another.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:53, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

• Upon doing the research it seems clear to me that soccer is more widely used in South Africa rather than football. This seems like a similar case to Australia where despite the national governing body having football in its name, soccer is more widely used by the South African public. This being the case I recommend that the move be made. – Ianblair23 (talk) 12:11, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

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South Africa VS Argentina (1906) NOT recognized

The game VS Argentina in 1906, in which South Africa had won 1-0, is not recognized by FIFA nor AFA. So it was not official. South Africa's first international game was in 1992, when they defeated Cameroon 1-0. − 190.183.247.100 (talk) 20:14, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Soccer?

Since South Africans call soccer soccer, shouldn't the title be the South African national soccer team? Joziboy 27 Feb 2006, 18:54 UTC

The governing body is the South African Football Association, so I think football should remain. Perhaps there should be a divert from South Africa national socccer team. Dancarney 22:22, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes, the article should use "soccer" instead of football. First, the article has a South African English tag, as it's about a South African topic. Second, "soccer" the "Association" in Association Football, so it's just as accurate as "football", and more specific. Paulgush (talk) 20:59, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

RfC at Talk:Soccer in South Africa

A request for comment regarding the usage of "football" or "soccer", which applies to this and other South African football articles, has been opened at Talk:Soccer in South Africa for anyone who is interested. S.A. Julio (talk) 01:24, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Indeed. The outcome of that debate was that "soccer" should be used on the basis of South African English. The argument that "football" appears in the name of the govenring body, South African Football Association, but that "soccer" doesn't are mistaken because soccer is in fact short for "association". More importantly it's irrelevant. Wikipedia has a policy that articles should be written in English matching the nationality of topic. It's that simple. On that note, I'm about to make the article conform to its South African English tag. Paulgush (talk) 21:47, 26 April 2021 (UTC)