Talk:South China University of Technology

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BetacommandBot (talk) 20:16, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Alumni

this list was unsourced, and i have moved it here to be checked for sources prior to reinstating any names. please either link to articles, or provide sources OTHER than the university alumni page, which is NOT proof of notability, as alumni pages list EVERYONE.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 22:13, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

ps all names on this list are in reverse order of WP convention, so reverse before redlinking.

Scholars

• Zhang Youqi (Chinese: 张佑启; Cheung, Yau Kai) - Professor Cheung Yau Kai, formerly Pro-Vice-Chancellor and Acting Deputy Vice-Chancellor of The University of Hong Kong and academic head of the Civil Engineering Department, was for many years Dean of the Faculty of Engineering. Professor Cheung is an internationally renowned researcher and scholar, well known in particular for his research activities in engineering mechanics and for his pioneering contributions to the methods of finite elements and finite strips for solving engineering problems. He completed his early education in Hong Kong and Guangzhou and was awarded Ph.D. and D.Sc. degrees in the United Kingdom. Professor Cheung is a Fellow of the Royal Academy of Engineering and member of the Chinese Academy of Sciences. He was awarded an O.B.E. in 1995.

Entrepreneurs

• Dongsheng LI (Chinese: 李东生) - The chairman and president of the TCL Corporation, "Great Contributor of Household Appliance Industry in China"
• Beisheng DENG (Chinese: 邓北生) - Deputy to the 14th national congress of Communist Party, director & general manager of Yue Hai Enterprise (Group) Co., Ltd.
• Zhiyan LUN (Chinese: 伦志炎) - Directors and general managers of Hong Kong Yong Lun Co.,Ltd., president of the Association of Hong Kong Alumni of South China University of Technology
• Cai Jianzhong - Chairman of the board of directors of Hong Kong Hu Tai Textile Co.,Ltd.
• Haiming ZHANG (Chinese: 张海明) - President of the Sino-China Science and Technology& Commerce Promoting Association, president of American AEM Company
• Bingquan HUANG - Chairman of the board of Shenzhen Special Economic Zone Real Estate (Group) Stock Co., Ltd.
• Juya KE - National outstanding entrepreneur, ex-manager of Maoming Petroleum and Chemical Company of Sinopec Corporation
• Shenchuan Ling - Outstanding Science & Technology Entrepreneur of Guangdong Province, chairman of the board & general manager of Shantou Chao Sheng Digital (Group) Company
• Weirong CHEN - One of the Shenzhen “Ten Outstanding Young Entrepreneurs ”, director & general manager of Kang Jia Digital (Group) Stock Co.,Ltd.
• Ling Xianli - Founder of Shantou Chun Yuan Industrial (Group) Co., Ltd.
• Jianghong ZHU - General manager of Gree Electronic Equipments Company
• Tuofen LI - Expert with great contribution to Construction Department, vice general engineer of Southwest Architectural Design Institute of China
• Zhoucun WU - Outstanding Young Entrepreneur of Guangzhou, director of Electric Industrial Bureau of Guangdong Province
• Shusheng ZHANG - Outstanding Entrepreneur of Guangdong Province, general manager of * * Nan Qi - Resin Products Co.,Ltd.
• Miaorong ZHU - “Nan Yue Women ”Advanced Personal in the Activities of Making Contributions, vice factory manager of Kaiping Second Polyester Factory
• Shaoshan MO - Outstanding young entrepreneur of Shantou, director of Shantou Chaosheng Digital Group

Additions by User talk:155.69.2.10

I reverted the above IP's additions to South China University of Technology for the following reasons:

• Dumping a huge quantity of unformatted, unlinked, machine-translated text (some of which is gibberish) into the article serves no useful purpose.
• Adding a list of names requires that those featured in it are in some way notable.
• Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a vehicle for promoting things. Text peppered with the words "best" and "famous" is a sure sign that content serves no encyclopedic purpose.

I left a message on the IP's talk page but (s)he has chosen to ignore my comments, revert my reversion and further admits that these additions are a machine translation of copyrighted material and therefore WP:COPYVIO.

I'm not sure whether to tag the page {{copyvio}} or what. ► Philg88 ◄ ^talk 11:22, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi Philg88 and IP 155.69.2.10! I have deleted the new content again because the machine translation makes no sense whatsoever. I would be more than willing to translate a sentence or two, but the new content is just too long. The entire content is translated from the Baidu article on this university, so this constitutes a copyright violation. Note also that Baidu is *not* considered a reliable source because, like Wikipedia, anybody can edit it.

Philg88和155.69.2.10，你们好！我还是删除了整个新内容，因为那个英文翻译是谁都没法懂的！假如只是一两句，我会很乐意把它翻译好，但我没有时间翻译一整篇文章！既然文章是从百度百科翻译过来的，整个内容是侵犯著作权。况且百度百科根Wikipedia一样是谁都可以编辑的，所以不算是“可靠来源”。希望您能谅解！

All the best, Madalibi (talk) 13:47, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

你说的对，感谢！► Philg88 ◄ ^talk 14:28, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

The most recently added text is written in decent English, but this is because it is copied directly from the university's official website.[1] This is unfortunately a copyright violation (侵犯著作权). Wikipedia is very strict about copyrights, so this content cannot stay there. Also, "reliable sources" (可靠来源) need to be published by a "third party" (第三方). This means that the official website is not "reliable" for information about the university's fame or excellence. There are many other problems with the article, which I can list here too. But first could Wikihalper1942 answer these concerns? Thank you! Madalibi (talk) 03:02, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Philg88和155.69.2.10，你们好！新添加的内容都是来自官网和教育部官网的，英语都是原版的，不存在谷歌翻译，可能个别部分需要加工一下，数据都有reference的。若有不足，欢迎添加与修改 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikihalper1942 (talk • contribs) 03:39, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

[Translation added by Madalibi: "Hello Philg88 and 155.69.2.10! The newly added content all comes from the [university's] official website and from the website of the Ministry of Education. The English is the original version [found on these websites], not Google translation. Maybe a few parts need to be worked on a little. All the data is referenced. If something is lacking in quality, you are welcome to add it or modify it." Madalibi (talk) 05:52, 16 March 2014 (UTC)]

Hi again, Wikihalper1942, and thanks for moving the discussion here. “英语都是原版”：问题就在这里。Wikipedia不允许套用别的网站的内容。这叫作“侵犯著作权”。Wikipedia这方面很严格，所以恐怕不能保留新内容。还有，有关大学的文章必须依靠可以信赖的，独立的可靠来源。官方网站不是“独立”的。如果想多了解有关大学的文章的标准，可以去看WP:UNIV。可惜没有中文版。Madalibi (talk) 03:57, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

[Translation added by Madalibi: "'The English is the original version': this is the problem. Wikipedia does not allow to borrow content directly from other websites. This is called a "copyright violation". Also, articles on universities must rest on independent, third-party "reliable sources". The university's official website is not "independent". If you want to know more about the standards for editing articles on universities, you can consult WP:UNIV. Unfortunately there is no Chinese version." Madalibi (talk) 05:52, 16 March 2014 (UTC)]

关于第三方，教育部我想都算第三方吧？其次，中国高校作为国立机构，其本身数据就有教育部审查，同样的reference，我们也可以通过中科院，工程院找到，还有第三方网站，至于版权，如果作为介绍，学校方欢迎引用，没有版权所有之说，是否侵犯？关于第三方问题，欢迎添加更多第三方数据 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikihalper1942 (talk • contribs) 04:24, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

[Translation added by Madalibi: "Concerning third party, I think the Ministry of Education counts as third party, no? Also, because Chinese institutions of higher education are public [Madalibi: lit. "state-established"] organizations, data concerning them must be approved by the Ministry of Education. We can find the same kind of reference for the Chinese Academy of Science and the Chinese Academy of Engineering, and there are also third-party websites. As for copyright, if this material is used to introduce [a school], the school welcomes others to use it, and there is not copyright issues, so is this a violation? Concerning the third-party issue, you are welcome to add even more third-party data." Madalibi (talk) 05:52, 16 March 2014 (UTC)]

Please write in English. Thanks. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 04:32, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

You're right, Anna! I've just added translations. Too pressed for time to comment more, but I will come back. Cheers! Madalibi (talk) 05:52, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

绝大部分都是独立编写，有reference，完美配置，相比之下，某些生源，就业实力远远低于south china univ of tech的学校，比如中山大学，哈工业等校，全部都是些山寨内容，却没有人删，难道真的是嫉妒心作祟吗？ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikihalper1942 (talk • contribs) 04:49, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

[Translation and links added by Madalibi: "The vast majority is independently written, there are references, and it is perfectly formatted. By comparison, some schools that are vastly inferior to South China University of Technology in job-finding power [for graduates], for example Sun Yat-sen University and Harbin Institute of Technology, all have shanzhai content, yet nobody has deleted it. Could it be jealousy playing mischief?" Madalibi (talk) 05:52, 16 March 2014 (UTC)]