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BetacommandBot (talk) 05:35, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Oh, the midwest

So uh... sports, eh? Great article. Are there classes offered too? I don't see anything about that sort of thing here. :o) DaronDierkes (talk) 10:40, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

umm

sounds too much like a brag rag —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.69.23.225 (talk) 08:09, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Lack of information

I see this article is deeply lacking information. I was in the campus bookstore today and I noticed that there are several books on the history of SIUE. These, in addition to articles from the Edwardsville Intelligencer, The Telegraph, the Belleville News-Democrat, and the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, could be used to improve this article. Illinois2011 (talk) 00:11, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

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Stylizing of words

There seems to be a problem with people stylizing SIUE as "SIUe". This is a misunderstanding of the university's policy (not to mention something that doesn't belong in an encyclopedic text). SIUE only uses a lowercase "e" in their stylized wordmark as seen in this document. In this stylized wordmark, all text is changed to be the same height, something you cannot do within the article. If you take a quick look through siue.edu you will see that it is absurd to do this every time the name SIUE is seen and that the university doesn't even do it themselves. Illinois2011 (talk) 01:14, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Logos

If anyone is looking for logos, here they are! http://www.siue.edu/marketingandcommunications/download.shtml Illinois2011 (talk) 07:19, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

I looked over that document before uploading the logos, The wordmark with the red background that was speedily deleted is noted as the preferred wordmark of those options on page 2 of the PDF document. But since really any of them work, the wordmark that the deleted one was replaced with is fine. The SIUe logo is also the preferred way for the stylized logo. There's two preferred options given (one with a black background, so 50-50 pick one. I the one uploaded to Wikipedia by Illinois2011 looks good to me. Now for the seal, it is used by both SIUE and SIUC (although like many universities, it's not commonly used for promotional and branding material.) But the Wikiproject: Universities article guideline state that "the preferred lead image of the infobox is the image of the institution's official seal or coat of arms and an image at the bottom of the institution's wordmark; do not adorn the infobox with additional images/icons." Bhockey10 (talk) 19:59, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Hello. The main reason I replaced your image is because it seems like the university uses the different versions of that wordmark pretty interchangeably, depending on the circumstances. On this article, a transparent background looked better. On the SIUE website, they have a red background, so that works better. Judging from my four years of attendance there, they really just use whatever is appropriate for the situation. They're all the same thing, just in different color schemes. Yours was also a bit pixellated and I wanted an excuse to play around with Adobe Illustrator ;-). As for the seal, I was kind of using the University of Illinois system as a model. The main, original campus (UIUC) uses their seal, but other schools such as University of Illinois at Springfield just uses a wordmark in the infobox. The "SIUe" wordmark is very heavily used to represent the campus (despite the impression you might get from their website). It's on the water tower and pretty much any advertisement they put out. Over the past five years, I would say that it has become the most well-recognized logo of the university. That's why I put it at the top. If others don't think that's appropriate, they can take it down, but I was just acting on my experience with the university. Illinois2011 (talk) 20:26, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

The svg watermark image works better, I don't have Illustrator and I don't think my photo editing software has svg capabilities , I agree the watermarks can be used interchangeably and although the red background one is "preferred" by the university, the transparent background looks sharp as well. I looked over the models and all of those need a lot of work, so while they're useful for some suggestions, better models can be found in Wikiproject: Universities, they have a section titled Accomplishments which contains various Featured and Good articles. I don't love guideline that the seal is the top image of the infobox but it is an article guideline and something that vast majority of the FAs and GAs conform too. Since you mentioned the stylized "SIUe" watermark is used a lot in their branding, the infobox should probably contain the "SIUe" watermark at the bottom that with the seal at the top. (until the article guideline is modified). Bhockey10 (talk) 22:41, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

That sounds good Bhockey10. I'll switch it to that for now. Just so there is still a justification for using it, I'll move the "Southern Illinois University Edwardsville" wordmark to the academic section. It is very widely used to identify the university as well and each college's logo is based on it. I'd love to see this be a featured article someday.Illinois2011 (talk) 00:16, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

I just saw the changes and they look great, thanks for all your work! I like the use of the marketing/branding wordmark in the infobox and the other one used in the academics section. Also I noticed you changed the name of the The Gardens at SIUe. That was going to be my next edit, it was very needed. The SIUE article wasn't in poor condition compared to some universities so it was already a solid start. I'm working my way through the article citing things and fixing sources. It's well on its way to being a GA and eventually FA. Bhockey10 (talk) 00:42, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Photos

I plan on taking a lot of photos of the university once the weather gets nice this year. Here is one that I took a few years ago but somehow went absent from the article. Illinois2011 (talk) 00:30, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

I'm going to do the same when the weather gets nice, also a search of Wikimedia Commons might dig up some photos. Bhockey10 (talk) 00:44, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

References

Hey, how do we put the references into columns? The list is getting pretty long! Illinois2011 (talk) 00:49, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure we can do that, I got down to the Student Activities section, fixing and updating so not sure if there's any duplicates or ones that aren't needed below that point. We're around a 100 and probably be around 100-115 at the rate I've been going. Good articles and featured articles often have 200+ cites and references and the lists look the same. One thing we could use that I haven't gotten around to yet, is more refs from external sources like the local/regional newspapers, national papers, etc... Bhockey10 (talk) 00:57, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

I copied the code over from Apple Inc.'s article for the reflist. I think it looks pretty nice. What do you think? Illinois2011 (talk) 01:06, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

In addition, I just wanted to let you know that we almost have as many references as Harvard University. I'm not sure if I should read into that or not.... Illinois2011 (talk) 01:17, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I can't figure out what exactly is different but the new ref code looks cleaner and easier to read. I skimmed over the Harvard article and I'd say we'll be around that level in another week or two. Harvard is a B-class article, it was nominated for a good article in the summer of 2011 but one of the major issues was a lack of references. Bhockey10 (talk) 01:33, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

It just put it into three columns instead of one. I didn't know the exact code, so I just copy and pasted it from another article. Also, I didn't actually look at the quality of the Harvard article, I just thought it was funny that we are closing in on it. Illinois2011 (talk) 01:48, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

3 columns looks cool... GWFrog (talk) 18:45, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

SIUE History

Much miscellaneous info is available in the University's historical timelne compiled by the Lovejoy Library staff for SIUE's 50th anniversary: http://www.siue.edu/lovejoylibrary/archives/timeline.shtml GWFrog (talk) 01:36, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Some of it might be useful and other miscellaneous info might give good direction to dig somewhere else. The History section doesn't have anything since the 70s and 80s so it needs some more recent info from the 90s and early 2000s. Bhockey10 (talk) 01:45, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Bhockey10, as I was editing and cleaning up a few mostly minor things in your changes, I did not know how to deal with one sentence. You state, "The quadrangle is designed with no direct pathway between two buildings, this was done to provide students with exposure to nature during the commute between buildings." The actual reason that there is no direct path is that campus architect Gyo Obata is a Zen Buddhist and believes that there is no straight path in the quest for truth. I think that this is one of the campus facts that has gone astray over the years, much like the story of The Rock, which you related as written on the website, which doesn't have it facts straight in this instance. GWFrog (talk) 01:55, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

If the correct story can be sourced, we'll fix it. If not, we'll leave the fact out altogether. That seems to be the only reasonable approach I can see. Illinois2011 (talk) 01:59, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

It may be that the only reason that I know the Zen thing is that everyone on campus knew it back when I started school there in '69.GWFrog (talk) 02:04, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Ha. That seems to be a theme at SIUE. Stories are passed down orally and you can't ever find anything written down. After you mentioned Gyo Obata, I looked at his article. It says right there that he designed the campus, but almost nothing is properly sourced over there. Maybe that can be my next project. Illinois2011 (talk) 02:08, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

GWFrog, I'm not a Zen expert but it makes sense, however since Wikipedia requires Verifiability, we can only use info that's avaiable. Like Illinois2011 said, if you can find a source we'll change and use it. http://www.siue.edu/maps/tour/stratton.shtml from which I praraphrased in Rock info, states "The quadrangle is designed without no direct pathway between two buildings, ensuring that students have some exposure to nature as they walk from one building to another." with no mention of Zen design elements. Bhockey10 (talk) 02:15, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

I tried to find reference to the Zen thing but could not, so I altered that sentence to remove the intent. The original statement on the SIUE website also merely stated that it exposed the students to nature, not that there was intent to do so. As I said, back 40 years ago, everyone on campus knew the story, but it apparently did not get recorded anywhere that I have found... yet. GWFrog (talk) 18:52, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

I was the one to start the History section on the article; the section is basically a summary of the Butler book sourced in the References. I checked SIUe's library and that was the most substantial physical book I could find on the school's history. I do hope you find more, but that was all I could find at that point. You all have done great work in the article, by the way. MToolen (talk) 19:36, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Edward Meridian (namesake of the Meridian Ballroom) has a book out called "SIUE, the First 50 Years: Transforming a Region". I have a copy and used it as a source on the Gyo Obata article. It has a lot of good stuff in it. I'm pretty sure Lovejoy Library keeps a copy or two. If you would like to buy a copy, it's slightly on the pricey side at $25, but a good book nonetheless. Here it is at the SIUE Bookstore. Illinois2011 (talk) 22:02, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

"...namesake of the Meridian Ballroom..." That is hilarious!!! GWFrog (talk) 23:00, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

SIUE Navbox

It's probably still incomplete, but I went through the effort and created a navbox for SIUE and placed it at the bottom of the relevant articles. A lot of other universities have navboxes for their articles. Check it out and let me know what you think. If you have any experience with these templates, don't hesitate to make necessary edits. Illinois2011 (talk) 03:47, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

MUC?

Do people actually call the Morris University Center the "MUC" nowadays??? I realize I have been away from the campus for >20 years, but in '91 it was still always called "The U.C." even though Morris' name had been put on it several years before. GWFrog (talk) 19:41, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

I've heard it both ways, but "muk" seems to have been more common over the past four years. I'm sure the Alestle could get a poll out to make it seem more official in either direction. MToolen (talk) 20:56, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

As a current SIUE student, I've heard both, but muk seems to be the most common. Illinois2011 (talk) 21:57, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Alumni List

In my opinion, the alumni list (and its related citations) are getting a bit long. Should we make it its own page? I've seen similar things from other institutions. We could either have a link at the bottom or a blurb in the article linking to the list. MToolen (talk) 21:58, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

It's probably not long enough for a stand-alone article, and could be trimmed. As a general rule of thumb the alumni section should only include people with articles on Wikipedia (i.e. notable alumni). Also the list is okay while the article is being expanded, cleaned up, and cited; but after the alumni have sources it should be converted to a prose paragraph style per Wikiproject University guidelines. Bhockey10 (talk) 02:46, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

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"SIUE was established in 1957" is not really true. E was not settled at the time.

I'll do some minor massaging of text for the nonce. Barefoot through the chollas (talk) 21:07, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

"and, as of 2018, has the larger enrollment"

I know you guys are justly proud of this, but does it really need to be in your opening paragraph? Rywlkr (talk) 05:00, 26 August 2022 (UTC)