Talk:Southernmost settlements

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List is missing Oban, New Zealand which is further south than Bluff.

"Excluding research bases in antartica" --> Villa Las Estrellas isnt a research base. Its a civilian settlement.

It would be good if you sourced it; for what the articles says, it only has military and research personel. The provided link its also not working. Mariano(t/c) 11:56, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Shouldn't Villa Las Estrellas be listed in the article? --213.47.219.86 22:59, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Here's info on Villa Las Estrellas: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Villa_Las_Estrellas. It has a school, you can check it on the Ministry of Education database at http://www.mineduc.cl

Base Marambio also has a school; that doesn't make it a city. --Mariano(t/c) 12:33, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

...but normally a settlement. What sense has a school without pupils? Pupils are usually civilians, civilians live in settlements, I think. 213.47.219.86 17:03, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Again, civilians live in Base Marambio, way southern than Las Estrellas, and that settlement is not considered in this list because its a military settlement for spouses and children of military personel. Much line Base Marambio. --Mariano(t/c) 13:03, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Both the bank and the post office are run by civil officials of their respective companies. This web page explicitly mentions teachers as not being militars http://www.profesorenlinea.cl/swf/links/frame_top.php?dest=http%3A//www.profesorenlinea.cl/Chilegeografia/VillaLasestrellas.htm

Additionally, a site run by the school in Villa Las Estrellas mentions two teachers (a man an a woman, married to each other; thus having no link to the Army).164.77.255.226 (talk) 21:38, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

RE: "Dentren (talk | contribs) (2,534 bytes) (Chuckarg33, the article is not written from the countries point of view and INE definition of city is as official as Cabo de Hornos municipalies claim, both are chilean authorities)"

Mate, chill. Hardly anyone could consider that little town/rural establishment/or Pueblo a City, really! Plus Cabo de Hornos is certainly a municipality because the country's leaders set it up and handle it that way. Really if you ignore what the country calls their own towns or how they classify their own urban settlements, well IMHO you are leaving out the most important bit of information. Chuckarg33 (talk) 12:27, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

This disscussion has been held before and not all sources agree with the view of that PW is town. I will put anote in the article to clarify that. Dentren | ^Talk 12:50, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Cool, I think its better, and fairer, to state what Chile considers PW as, since they administer it, so government sources would be the most important ones. Same with cap horn Chuckarg33 (talk) 12:53, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

By the way, its seems a wrong to me to have an article on 'southernmost settlements' and leave out all those in Antarctica, even if they are military bases, since we can't get anymore south than the south pole and they are certainly 'south' of us. And if the naval station on diego ramirez and the cabo hornos weather station are here it seems incorrect to leave out Villa Las Estrellas, Base Marambio et al , even if it were in a separate section in the table under 'Antarctica'? Is there now consensus for this? seems there was some when reading through the article aboveChuckarg33 (talk) 10:33, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

In consequence the very southernmost settlement is Amundsen-Scott South Pole Station. Gabriel Kielland (talk) 13:00, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

re 'Amundsen etc' exactly! and leaving it out of an article on 'southernmost settlements' doesn't change that fact. Charlie (talk) 04:35, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Articles merge

I believe that it hasn't worked as well as it would have if the article on 'Southernmost settlements' was merged into the 'southernmost city' article. This here has been done the other way around and it doesn't quite seem to click.

But I've gone through it to tidy it up a bit and added the reference for the PW population and so removed that tag. It needs though a new list on the settlements in antarctica which are definitely 'southernmost' Charlie (talk) 13:30, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Because no one has answered, I've attempted to be bold and moved the paragraph on the use of this "Southernmost city in the world" tourist slogan (and only a tourist slogan) to its own article because this article on "southernmost settlements" is more about the geographic fact involved. Charlie (talk) 12:06, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

You say that the merge "hasn't worked", of course when you merge two r more articles you need to reformulate the text to put into the right context and you can not expect that the article will be good by just "copy and paste" them together. I still believe the articles should be one, but the introduction/lead must be much clearer allowing the reader to easily find out what he is searching for.

Another things that should be changed is the the lists of southernmost Cities or town that is has no introductory text, overlaps the "southernmost cities" section and does not explains the disputes and claims of being the southernmost city/town. Then we have the section List of southernmost settlements that at its original article explained that it does not include reseach stations or other settlements in antarctica, but here the list has just been put bare alone. Settlements on the Anarctic contienent is for now a mere stub, and should be expanded with material from List of research stations in Antarctica and Demographics of Antarctica but with a focus on the the most notable station such as Mc Murdo, Scott-Amundsen, Vostok, Villa Las Estrellas and Marambio. Dentren | ^Talk 10:26, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

What is a settlement?

All the difinitions of "settlement"** would include all permanent research stations of Antarctica. I think the exclusion of such stations is totally arbitrary, especially in the case of settlements like Villa Las Estrellas, in which many civils live and where you can find a church, a postal office, a bank, a school, and a library. Why this particular settlement is not a settlement?

• • settlement: A community of people smaller than a town. / An area where a group of families live together. / A body of people who settle far from home but maintain ties with their homeland. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.83.168.197 (talk) 08:45, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Can anyone who wants to buy/rent/build a house there? I think not. Therefore it's a research station or military installation or whatever. New Zealand employs civilians as cooks/cleaners at Scott Base, but that doesn't make it a town. dramatic (talk) 01:46, 21 January 2011 (UTC)