Talk:Spanish Fighting Bull

Move suggestion - Iberian fighting bull

Hi. There is no difference between bulls in Portugala and Spain. Can't we move this page to "Iberian Fighting Bull"? Regards, Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 20:39, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

You touched on a sensible point.

There are actually still remnants of the Portuguese variety, in parts of Central Portugal. The thing is, media and ordinary people, like to call it Spanish fighting bull. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.114.252.28 (talk) 09:41, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Spanish fighting bull is the common name and should stay.Charles (talk) 21:26, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

The fighting bull origins

Moors actually almost didn´t brought any cattle. If anything, they got some horses from Iberians. Moors were more avid consumers of sheep and goat, like Maghrebians are today! So the theory that Moors brought cattle and cattle heavily influenced fighting bull, it´s clearly not proven and doesn´t seem to be supported by any evidence. So why bring it up?

North african taurine cattle markers, are actually not that common on Iberian fighting cattle breed. And even those so-called North African markers may not be North African at all. But even if it are, it are rare and located.

mtDNA T1 (the main supposed responsible for this influence)  has a minor expression in Iberia, and influenced only few herds and breeds and probably it´s important to note that T1 has been found also in Middle Eastern cattle, though it has the biggest diversity in North Africa (with 63 different T1 haplotypes). Europe has 11 different T1 haplotypes, and both North Africa and Europe, in fact, only share 2 identic haplotypes!!. So not even the rare (in Iberia) T1 seems to clearly connect Iberian and North African cattle. Even if there was such connection, it´s not important and it´s very located. Compare it with traditional Iberian and European markers...

Miura is one of the rare fighting cattle herds that have this T1. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.114.252.28 (talk) 09:56, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Spanish fighting bull

Is it a male only breed? And if there are females of this breed, are they still called "bulls"? Or do they change the name according to the gender of the cow? (God, there's gotta be an official common name for "bos taurus" other than "cattle", because cow is all I got) Booger-mike (talk) 02:06, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

Obviously all breeds of bulls or most animals must include both males and females. Only males are used for bullfighting. --Jotamar (talk) 16:08, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

Proposed merge of Miura bull into Spanish Fighting Bull

This is a famous line of course, but a few accurate and well-referenced sentences here would be much preferable to the present poorly-sourced and promotional page. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 11:24, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

I completely agree. --Jotamar (talk) 14:34, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

  Y Merger complete. Klbrain (talk) 10:11, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Sources for future article expansion

Something worth noting:

• "Fight Between a Tiger and a Bull", Sacramento Daily Union, vol. 94, 16 February 1898.

Presumably the original London, Parisian, and Spanish sources should exist somewhere as well, although they might not be digitized as well. Also curious if the declaration about elephants was based on actual events. — LlywelynII 07:14, 15 August 2023 (UTC)