Talk:Spanish coup of July 1936

Pre-GAN comments

Taking a look at this now, since I've been meaning to have an excuse to take "The Battle for Spain" off my bookshelf and actually read it. Nice job, FWIW, especially on the referencing. One thing that jumps out at me immediately, though: the lede needs some serious work. Maybe not a huge concern for GAN vs. FAC, but it reads kind of incoherently at the moment - things are happening! This person did something! This other thing happened! The lede is the only section that many viewers will read, and it should strive to "tell a story," even if it leaves out side facts. It's not really well connected at the moment. The third & fourth paragraphs mention a lot of specific names being arrested, or surrendering, or plotting, who then aren't mentioned again in the lede. I'd be in favor of cutting out as much of these details as practicable, and focusing on just a few key movers & shakers.

A few other notes before doing a proper review:

• It'd probably be fair to mention abortive leftist murmuring about a coup of their own during the 34-36 period.

• "The Falange expanded massively" - I see this is referenced to Preston. Does he go into more detail about what exactly this means? I see from your other election articles that the Falange was pretty much a non-player electorally, getting 1 deputy or so... was this a recruitment drive? Sudden outpouring of pro-Falange feeling and "conversions?" Just mobilizing supporters they already had?

• Would you mind if I referenced the bit about tenuous Republic control of areas with armed anarchist militas to someone other than Chomsky? An uncontroversial fact that could be ref'd from several sources, and I think it'd be better to avoid a politicized and somewhat unreliable Chomsky.

• The ending is very abrupt at the moment - talking about lack of officers for the Republican fleet and airplanes. Not sure if there really is a good ending point, but I think there should be something better than that? SnowFire (talk) 01:21, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks you for your comments. I looked over your changes to the lead and made one slight revert. With regards to the other things, the naming of important people in the lead would depend on what summary you're providing. This page doesn't get many readers, so my assumption is that they're interested in the civil war as a whole. As such, the character narratives are important enough to warrant inclusion, since they're mentioned in the background, again here and then later on in the war.

The Asturias rising of 1934 is probably the leftist attempt most worth mentioning - I've found a link for it, since it was briefly mentioned. However the actual relavance to the coup of 1936 is really only tangential. The background of the Spanish Civil War probably does a better overview of opposition from both sides, I figured a focus on the right's opposition more relevant here.

I'll clarify the Falange bit and I've written out Chomsky. The ending, well, I don't know, not sure what else to do. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 10:12, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

How and why did the war end?

A summary or conclusion as to how and why the war ended seems to be missing? Can someone explain either the omission or the end of the war? - preferably both. 99.4.120.135 (talk) 20:14, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

table with provincial capitals

have added a table showing who controlled provincial capitals during the coup.

I thought it might be useful to include a compact, concise and easy-to-view information showing dynamics of the coup across the peninsula. I was considering few maps showing situation as of every day, but this would be probably space-consuming and still not quite transparent. Hence, I have finally settled for a table.

I have added colors intended to make the table even more clear. I have colored the Nationalists in blue and the Republicans in red, which seems rather intuitive to me, given colors traditionally used in graphs to denote right-wing and left-wing groupings, especially that they sort of correspond with local Spanish ambience (“camisas azules”, “rojos”). The problem is that the map in this entry for an odd reason uses exactly the opposite convention (Nationalist zone in reddish, Republican zone in blue), so a map and a table using two opposite color patterns perhaps look confusing. Hope this is still acceptable. If otherwise it would be probably easier to change colors in the table.

--Hh1718 (talk) 07:54, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

I guess there's a better map here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Spanish_Civil_War_front_July_1936_(Spanish).svg Ezalcri67 (talk) 10:00, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

Map colors

The colors on the map do not correlate to the colors in the legend. FatBear1 (talk) 20:31, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

The text currently reads, "Many of the soldiers acted as mercenaries" to describe the Army of Africa. What does that mean? Were the soldiers mercenaries or soldiers? CsikosLo (talk) 16:50, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

The coup itself was organised for 17 July 1936...

Correcting erroneous lead. It stated: “The coup itself was organised for 17 July 1936, although it started the following day in Spanish Morocco”. This sentence contained 2 factual errors: 1) the coup was supposed to begin on July 18, not on July 17; 2) it started in Morocco not on July 18 (“the following day” after July 17) but on July 17. Changing to “The coup itself was organised for 18 July 1936, although it started the previous day in Spanish Morocco”. rgds, --89.64.66.143 (talk) 09:34, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

José Antonio Primo de Rivera

This article says that José Antonio Primo de Rivera was released from prison in March 1936 to restrict the Falange (with a footnote for Preston).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Antonio_Primo_de_Rivera says that he was ARRESTED in March 1936, and then 9 weeks later transferred to another prison in Alicante.

Which is right? 2A00:23C7:AD8:4B01:8D7C:3E86:1E96:4582 (talk) 15:27, 27 October 2023 (UTC)