Talk:Spartan army/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: TonyTheTiger (talk · contribs) 20:51, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

I'll undertake this review.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 20:51, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

The dab link tool in the toolbox to the right shows 2 dabs and a redirect in need of attention.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:04, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

WP:LEAD

• heyday seems unencyclopedic.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:04, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
• "in the age of seven"?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:04, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
• " It is mostly used to describe a professional soldier or army." is unsourced and by my understanding simplistic might be the most common meaning.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:04, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Mycenaean age

• Mycenaean age has no meaning to me. When was this?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:10, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
• "The first reference to the Spartans at war is in the Iliad, where they participate among the other Greek contingents" When and where?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:10, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Archaic Age and expansion

• There should be a date or two in the first few sentences.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:23, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Establishment of Spartan hegemony over the Peloponnese

• Are there links for those battles (Hysiai and Cynuria)?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:27, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
• I am not sure I understand the term Lacedaemonians.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:28, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Persian and Peloponnesian Wars

• "King Croesus of Lydia established an alliance with them,[11] and later, the Greek cities of Asia Minor appealed to her for help in the Ionian Revolt." Is confusing. Who is them? Who is her?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:20, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
• "Sparta suffered several reverses during these wars," - What is a reverse?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:20, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

End of hegemony

• Humiliating sounds unencyclopedic--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:20, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
• "destroyed Sparta's reputation as the protector of the independence of Greek city-states." - How So?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:20, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
• What is the difference between a Spartiate and a Spartan?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:20, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
• paragraph is uncited.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:46, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Social structure

• hoplites?.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:36, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
• Are these three classes for men only?.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:36, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
• What is a "the baggage train" in this context (trains did not exist)? Also, that paragraph needs a citation.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:36, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
• 2nd paragraph is uncited.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:46, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Tactical structure

• lochoi?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:36, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
• "pentekostyes of 128 men. which "--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:36, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
  • What is a pentekostye?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:36, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
  • Comma after men.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:36, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
• Why are various words italicized? Most of them seem to need links.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:36, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Tactics

• "Like the other Greek states, the Spartan army was..." is ungrammatical. S/b "Like that of any other Greek state, the Spartan army was..." or "Like the Army of any other Greek state, the Spartan army was..."--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:46, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
• 2nd paragraph is uncited.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:46, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

On the march

• "The only people who could have a gravestone were woman who died in child birth and warriors who died in battle; both were considered lives given for the state." needs a citation.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:46, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Clothing, arms and armor

• "It is often disputed which torso armor the Spartans wore during the Persian Wars," should have a citation or two.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:02, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Philosophy, education and the Spartan code

• Why is range voting more ethical?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:53, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
• "These values applies...but not in the dishonored"-->applied...to the dishonored.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:53, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Spartan Navy

• Final paragraph needs some citations.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:53, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
  • especially "admirals were subordinated to the vice-admiral".--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:53, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
• "This position is seemingly..." is ambiguous. It seems to refer to epistoleus and later in the sentence is shown to refer to admiral. However, in the preceding sentence epistoleus seems to refer to vice admiral.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:53, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Wars and battles

• This section is serving as a navbox. Create a proper one and deploy it appropriately.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:48, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

In popular culture

• "These characteristics is also derived from Spartan culture" is ungrammatical.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:48, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
• Each item in this section needs an inline citation.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:48, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
• This section should be converted to standard prose format.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:48, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
• Why name the book 300 and not the movie?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:48, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Images

• The licensing is very spotty. Most of the sculptural content will need to be tagged {{PD-old-100}} or something similar to clarify the author's copyright is not being violated. Most are just tagged to indicate that the photographer's copyright is being waved. There should be a clear presentation that shows something like the following:

Photographer

Artist

Note that {{PD-old-100}} on WP and {{PD-old-100}} on commons differ in the age indicated (100 vs. 70 years)

The following are works for which licensing needs to be remedied in the manner noted above.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 13:57, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

• 1. File:Léonidas- Sparte.JPG
  2. File:Helmed Hoplite Sparta.JPG
  3. File:Spartan helmet 2 British Museum.jpg
  4. File:Cup Rider Painter Louvre E669.jpg
  5. File:Areus I King of Sparta.jpg (May need something other than old since it may be a type of currency)
  6. File:Model of a greek trireme.jpg

The following works need to move clearly state that an artist has released their copyrights. It is not clear if the person releasing the copyright is the artist or a photographer of the work.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 13:57, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

• 1. File:Ancient Greece hoplite with his hoplon and dory.jpg

The following work seems to need a photographer's copyright. The sculpture is government work, but is this a government photograph of the work?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 13:57, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

• 1. File:Lycurgus bas-relief in the U.S. House of Representatives chamber.jpg

The following work seems to need a photographer's copyright. The artwork is PD, but who is the photographer?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 13:57, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

• 1. File:Greek-Persian duel.jpg

• WP:CAPTIONs need work. Periods are randomly placed when there is no complete sentence to end.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 07:28, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

• This is very close to the borderline of what I would fail and what I would put on hold. I will put this on hold for 7 days and see how things look.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:51, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

• Due to the lack of response and the drive-by nature of this nomination, I am FAILing this now.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:58, 21 May 2013 (UTC)