Talk:Speak Mandarin Campaign

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The article is copied word for word from [1]. Was permission actually granted to use the text on that page? If not, I'm going to put a copyright violation tag on the page.--Yuje 16:48, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

The article is re-written, and should be alright. I will further expand it later. --Vsion 01:53, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Hmm....is this article actually on the campaign or the SMC?--Huaiwei 05:57, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

I'm slightly confused. This article should be about the Speak Mandarin Campaign. SMC is an abbrev. for something else? --Vsion 06:26, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

whoops...i made a typo there. :D I was refering to the PMC (Promote Mandarin Council), because the Chinese translation there is for the PMC and not the SMC! :D I belive this is so because the older copyvio version was about the committee and not the campaign. Shall I make the amendment to the Chinese words?--Huaiwei 07:09, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

I guess so. Btw, there is a table in Demographics of Singapore that shows a significant shift from chinese dialect to Mandarin since 1990, for languages spoken at home. But of course, education policy plays a major role in this trend. -- Vsion 07:23, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Oh I would think its more to do with the educational policy than this campaign. :D Afterall, this campaign seems more targeted towards the older age groups, particularly those who have had English education and hardly know any Chinese?--Huaiwei 07:27, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Demographics

Wish there was some more demographical information, we need references, also aren't concerns about democide pertinent? How many of those 26% of Mandarin speakers did so at home? I'm trying to gauge the outlook of the population in the early years of the Republic... Elle _{vécut heureuse} ^{à jamais} (Be eudaimonic!) 00:10, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Merge

Decision of the AfD at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/华语Cool! / hua yu Cool!. nadav 09:00, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

There may or may not be anything at 华语Cool! / hua yu Cool! worth merging into this article. nadav 18:44, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Ideas for improvement

Some of the yearly campaign descriptions could be shortened a fair bit. On the other hand, it would be nice to see a short description of every year! Francis Bond (talk) 16:00, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

This article would be alot less POV if it didn't classify all Chinese languages as dialects while establishing, somehow, that Madarin wouldn't be a dialect. I also don't understand why spokesman refers to Mandarin as the mother tongue if it's not the language people spoke at home before active suppression of the actual languages people spoke at home. Reminds me much too well of the rethoric used to supress all native languages in France. Correjon (talk) 16:23, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Bias

Parts of this article show substantial bias in favor of the subject matter, especially below the Evolution headline. Spacemonger (talk) 03:22, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Scope

As far as I have read the Speak Mandarin campaigns are not just carried out in Singapore, but also in China tagering speakers of all regional languages and varieties, from cantonese, and fuzhounese to indigenous languages like Hui, Miao, Zhuang, etc. The scope of this article seems to narrow for the title, or maybe I am confusing the chinese and the singaporean policies of promoting Mandarin. But it seems that they are somehow relatedÅ User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 20:16, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Speak Mandarin Campaign/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Tezero (talk · contribs) 20:39, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

I don't like to do this, but I'm going to fail this GAN; I'd rate the article as C-class. You're not a bad person, and the article isn't wholly without merit; there are just numerous issues that stand between this and something I'd be comfortable passing. They're fixable, but only with a significant amount of time. Most seriously:

• The introduction's way too short. It should be 2-4 paragraphs and cover the basics of each section in the article.
• The lead picture may not be free-use.
• The entire Specific Yearly Campaigns section consists of mostly short paragraphs that sometimes sound like advertisements. It ends on a particularly sour note: "DADDY & MOMMY MANDARIN STORYTELLING COMPETITION 2008 Presented by Eduplus Language Centre and supported by Speak Mandarin Campaign and National Library Board, the Daddy & Mommy Mandarin Storytelling competition is a unique opportunity for the whole family to learn, play and perform on the stage together!" There's gotta be a way you can rework stuff like this, and I can't think of a single way it's appropriate to use an exclamation point in main-body text on Wikipedia.
• It's also visually unpleasant and overly divisive to start paragraphs with simple bolded words. I would suggest level-5 headers, but you don't even need that. Just remove those words altogether.
• Large swaths of the article are unsourced, especially in 1983, 2000, 2007/08, and Implementation.
  • The last two sentences of Criticism being unsourced (and using weasel words) is particularly problematic, since this will by nature be a controversial section.
• De-capitalize the second two words of the title "Specific Yearly Campaigns."
• Italicize My paper. I thought you had literally started talking in the first-person there.
• All of the Mandarin-language titles of the campaigns under "Specific Yearly Campaigns" should be formatted like the article's title, with pinyin.
• Outcome needs to be much longer. The table and short paragraph don't adequately cover what the reader will want to know about how successful the campaign has been.
• Most of the article's citations are formatted incorrectly, some of them not at all. Forgetting the authors or dates of a couple of sources is understandable; using bare URLs is not.

If you want to keep working on this article—I would guess that you do because of your concurrent connections to similar articles—I would recommend seeking a peer review in addition to addressing these issues. Tezero (talk) 20:39, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your review. To clarify, the Singapore linguistics articles were written by a group of Nanyang Technological University students for an assignment. Impressed by the quality of the articles, I decided to nominate and polish them. I was wondering whether there really should be detailed information on specific yearly campaigns or a summary of such information would be better. What do you think? --J.L.W.S. The Special One (talk) 03:46, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

I'd go with a solid, full-length paragraph or two for each section. The existing bullet points and short paragraphs are discouraged here. With that said, this is pretty good considering it was written by a presumably non-native English speaker unaffiliated previously with Wikipedia. Tezero (talk) 05:43, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Actually most Singaporeans are native English speakers. But my students did their best to conform to the wikipedia style Francis Bond (talk) 09:14, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

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