Talk:Speakeasy (computational environment)

Newbieforever (talk) 08:58, 14 April 2013 (UTC) I think this page contains too many low-level things. The page should rough out the main features of the package, but it seems unbalanced towards marginal issues. The page layout of matlab (it is a package similar to, and perhaps conceptually influenced by, Speakeasy, which Cleve Moler knew when in Argonne as a consultant) might be a guideline.

Nosmokers (talk) 01:12, 11 January 2012 (UTC) @ Giupo777, 85.159.196.120, 85.159.196.19:

a) About the "object orientation": the fact that the Speakeasy scripting language is not really "object oriented" was clear and it was not worth repeating. The point here was just to underline that Speakeasy anticipated in a raw way some features of the subsequent OOP languages, such as the operator overloading. It is more an historical remark than anything else. However, the addition ("it did not fully evolve in that direction") should take into account both the "historical" standpoint and your specification.

b) About the "?" as a "weird missing value operator" : actually, it is a symbol to be used in timeseries only. Only the operations on timeseries take care of the presence of this special value and interpret it as a "missing value". When (mis)used in other numerical objects, its actual hidden numerical value is used, it is not interpreted as a "missing value" at all. This avoids useless checks on each element of standard numerical objects such as matrices, which might be huge, and where the concept of "missing value" is not really useful. Your examples, therefore, are not fully correct, and, however, dealing with a really trifling aspect, in this context.

c) I added something about the way the named storage is allocated at the beginning of the session, which implies some operational limitation (which are present in Speakeasy as well as in other similar packages).

d) What is the point about the header file for writing linkules in C ? The point is not how much it is difficult to do that and/or how effectively the vendor supports this possibility. If you need more information, you should ask the vendor or some forum (if any).

I would like you agree that the point in Wikipedia is not to go into the details of the limitations or possible flaws of the described language or environment, but just to describe its main characteristics and peculiar features. This is the meaning of giving a "constructive" and "encyclopedic" contribution.

Please, do not revert again.

Greetings. Nosmokers (talk) 01:12, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Giupo77 (talk) 16:32, 30 Sept 2012 (UTC)

a) In case it's "clear" (as you state) that is not OOP, where is it clearly written? I couldn't see it. I remind you that OOP as this article Object-oriented_programming is FAR away from operator overloading: Can you provide a suitable and encyclopedic example of operator overloading?

b) So we have 5 tipes of mssing value for timeseries, and just a jolly value rappresenting a missing value for scalars? isn't this a flaw we should point out? Correct my examples then, just don't pull them away.

c) I added something about the way the named storage is allocated at the beginning of the session, which implies some operational limitation (which are present in Speakeasy as well as in other similar packages).

allocating a bunch of bytes at the beginning of the session is by far not dynamic. Dynamically allocated RAM means that when the process's done with it, it releases to underlaying operating system; in our case RAM is allocated and held for the whole process life. I think it's worth mention Memory_management

d) The products itself comes with a C header, which is incomplete, and the software producer was not able to document it.

I agree on your points of constructiveness and encycplopedicness. A little less about the point where you state under the hood that only the good things are worth a mention, the downsides are better to be left alone. That's by far not what Wikipedia is.

Reverting because you have simply erased based on opinions, not facts. If you have something to add/modify, integrate my job, not just erase it cause you personally don't like it.

you don't like my examples? improve them. you state something technically? Provide an example. you say something plain wrong? let me correct it.

Giupo77 16:32, 30 Sept 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Giupo777 (talk • contribs)