Talk:Special education in the United Kingdom

Content is all from the UK

the content of this article is all realted to the UK, and not global as per WIKI aims. So the article either needs to be moved to "Special Education Needs in the UK" or be globalised to include Special Education Needs procedures and processes from all countries of the world, or become the category page of an intermeiater category sorted by country for article regading Education Special Needs provision by country

dolfrog (talk) 23:52, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Requested move

Special Educational Needs → Special educational needs in the United Kingdom — The content of this article all relates to Special Educational Needs in the United Kingdom. dolfrog (talk) 21:19, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

There has been no attempt to globalise this article. Globalisation may not be possible as support sustesm vary from one country to another. So it could be a beeter option to have say a Special Eduational Needs by Country Category to resolve the wider issues. dolfrog (talk) 21:19, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

No need. SEN is a term only applicable to the UK. Fixed the links for Special education, etc. 199.125.109.102 (talk) 00:43, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Until the move is completed the article is required to have world wide content. When the move is completed and the article is renamed "Special educational needs in the United Kingdom" then and only then can be world wide tag be removed.

The long term aism is to have a "special education by country" Category for that the statutes and support systsm of each country can be described in detail and are specific to reader interested in a specific countries SEN provision

dolfrog (talk) 02:12, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

What for? SEN is a term that only applies to the UK. There already is a Special education article, which is the generic term. It would be like saying there has to be a Queen Elizabeth of UK article separate from the globalized Queen Elizabeth article. Makes no sense. 199.125.109.126 (talk) 05:03, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

You are using the Wrong Comparison, but to take tour anology a few steps further, Queen Elizabeth, in history there have been many Queen Elizatheths in MANY countries, and the present UK Queen Elizabeth is actually Queen Elizabeth II and there are a few things such as cruise lines names after her so there is a need for clarification about which Queen the artilce is about. So you must always consider the wider global issues, nor just the opinions of those who live in the UK and the USA, which is the real problem here.

Special education is a wide topic and there are a wide range of issue as to why special education is provided, not always to do with Special Needs. Special Needs is about the life long support required by those who have a neurological disability, differnces, disorder. And Special Educational Needs are just part of the those special needs. It just so happen that in the UK we are using the best global defintion for Special Educational Needs. In the USA there may be different terminology, but in other English speaking countries such as Australia, New Zealand and many other countries they use the term Special Educational Needs , and they have their own statutory provisions and support strcuture. And then there are other countriers who translate from their own language and the direct translation is Special Educational Needs.

So I think you need to become more globaliased in your approach to this issue. And help WIKI have a more globla apprach to Special Needs, Special Education, and Special Educational Needs.

The Special Education Article itself, the content only apples to the USA and has little or no relance to the the rest of ther world, may be due the insular attitude of the editors. There is life outside of the USA, and to be a globla article there shoud be contyent that relates to about the 130 pluc contries around the world not just One the USA, and may be the UK as well.

I come from the UK, where we have to know about the differences in other countries so where to you come from. dolfrog (talk) 12:26, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Then I am guessing that you assumed that SEN was a generic term that is used by other countries, but it is not. Special education is the generic term. SEN only applies to the UK, and therefor there is no need to globalize it. It would need to be merged into Special education, not renamed if you wanted to globalize it. 199.125.109.126 (talk) 16:08, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

So by the same token you are asuming that Special education is the generic term, which only applies in the USA. Special education can apply to a range of differetn provisions from specialist subjects, to specialist faith provision, to help from those new to a country or even specialised areas of interest. Which includes Special Educational Needs. So what proof have you that special education is the generic term for all who require special educational needs support. Special Needs is only one category of Special eduations. (except may in the the USA where everything seems to be done differently from the rest of the world.

So far you have not provided any support to your case just that you personally do not like my supported arguements. Again where do you live or reside as it may explain your alck of understanding of the issues involved.

I am begining to suspect that you may have a conflict of interests with regard to this debate, especially as you are using a number asa USER ID.dolfrog (talk) 16:22, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Not a chance. I don't even have any interest in the topic. However, I can see that it is a term that only applies to the UK. Other countries use "Special education", not "Special Educational Needs", which is uniquely British. 199.125.109.102 (talk) 06:01, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

You fail to support your claims with evidence. you just make vague comments and you use an IP ID which to me means you have something to hide as an administrator IP IDS are ok for causla Editors and users. So if you are using an IP ID you can not be taken seriously as an administrator. so provide proof of your claims and stop providing unsubstanciated opinions and i will consider waht you say. You do not appear to have done much research.

dolfrog (talk) 12:29, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Look at Education by country

Look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Education_by_country or Category:Education_by_country that is for the global mainstream education systems by country, now we need the complementary "Special Educational Needs" Category so that we can have a global approach to "Special Educational Needs" for each of the countries listed in Category:Education_by_country.dolfrog (talk) 13:01, 16 June 2009 (UTC)