Talk:Spider Project

Discussion of article issues

This article appears to be written like an advertisement

Is it possible to specify exactly which part of the article appears to be written like an advertisement? Or is it an article as a whole?Ev2geny (talk) 18:50, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

• It is the article as a whole in my view. It is likely due to the fact that it is mostly based on primary sources and is full of peacock and weasel words giving undue weight to the positive aspects of the project. I think that resolving the sourcing issues mentioned below will mostly solve this issue as well. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(t • e • c)} 15:53, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

This article's introduction isn't an introduction

It seems like the introduction, especially the last sentence is just a pitch about how impressive the Design team's credentials are in Russia? This doesn't introduce the subject of this piece of software in my book. Philip.t.day talk 15:26, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

This article includes a list of references, but its sources remain unclear because it has insufficient inline citations

I do not quite understand this issue. This article has 24 + 2(as some of the are referred to twice)=26 in-line citations. Which in my view quite a big amount for article of such size. Comparable Microsoft Project has only 7 in-line citations. So which part of an article require more in-line citations? Ev2geny (talk) 18:50, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

• The sources used for this article are:

• "Spider Project Team". PRIMARY

Agree. This reference is removedEv2geny (talk) 20:55, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

• "Spider Project features". PRIMARY

Agree. Reverence is removed Ev2geny (talk) 21:08, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

• "Spider Project features (advanced))". PRIMARY

Agree. This reference is removed Ev2geny (talk) 21:08, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

• "LinkedIn page of Vladimir Liberzon". LINKEDIN

Agree. This reference is removed Ev2geny (talk) 20:55, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

• "Spider Project Team record of a PMI R.E.P. (Registered Education Provider)". PRIMARY (not a report about the company, just company provided stats)

Don't quite agree. This reference is put here just to confirm, the statement that "Spider Project Team is a PMI Registered Education Provider". For this I consider a reference to PMI web site to be a reliable reference Ev2geny (talk) 20:55, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

• "The Application of Success Probabilities, Success Driven Project Management/SDPM,and Some Critical Chain Concepts to the Oil & Gas Industry in Brazil;Presented at the PMI College of Scheduling 5th Annual Conference". PRIMARY as it is Russ Archibald's product.

Don't quite agree..This is not an Archibald's product. This is Liberzon's product. Liberzon lives in Russia, Archibald lives in the US. Russell D. Archibald is one of the PMI founders and is such a respected member of the Project Management community that I would consider this to be a disrespect to this gentlemen to classify his book as not being a reliable an independent source.Ev2geny (talk) 20:55, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

• "From Russia with love : truly integrated project scope, schedule, resource and risk information". NOTADVERTISING (unless I misunderstood, this is a place you can buy the product)

Don't quite agree.. This reference to PMI site is put here to confirm the statement, that "Members of Spider Project team have spoken at several PMI and IPMA Congresses and Conferences". For this purposes I consider it to be a reliable source.

• "Finding opportunities in problems". NOTADVERTISING (unless I misunderstood, this is a place you can buy the product)

Don't quite agree.. This reference to PMI site is put here to confirm the statement, that "Members of Spider Project team have spoken at several PMI and IPMA Congresses and Conferences". For this purposes I consider it to be a reliable source.

• "Tools and techniques for corporate project management". NOTADVERTISING (unless I misunderstood, this is a place you can buy the product)

Don't quite agree.. This reference to PMI site is put here to confirm the statement, that "Members of Spider Project team have spoken at several PMI and IPMA Congresses and Conferences". For this purposes I consider it to be a reliable source.

• Russell D. Archibald (13 March 2003). Managing High-Technology Programs and Projects. John Wiley & Sons. p. 361. ISBN 978-0-471-26557-3. PRIMARY as it is Russ Archibald's product.

Don't quite agree..This is not an Archibald's product. This is Liberzon's product. Liberzon lives in Russia, Archibald lives in the US. Russell D. Archibald is one of the PMI founders and is such a respected member of the Project Management community that I would consider this to be a disrespect to this gentlemen to classify his book as not being a reliable an independent source.Ev2geny (talk) 20:55, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

• "Spider Project Team site at Planning Planet". PRIMARY

Agree. This reference is removed Ev2geny (talk) 21:08, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

• "Spider Project partners". PRIMARY

Agree. This reference is removed. Ev2geny (talk) 23:18, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

• "Строителей объектов саммита АТЭС-2012 "подсадят" на Spider Project".(in Russian)
• "Implementing Project Portfolio Management in a Telecom Company (Originally published as a part of PMICOS 2009 Annual Conference)" (PDF). PRIMARY

Partially agree. This document is referenced to provide confirmation, that Spider Project was used in Romtelecom to manage big portfolio. As the article is written by some authors also from Romtelecom, I consider this reference to be reliable for this purposes. However I could not find this document on the independent web site, therefore I have updated statement in the article to reflect this:

"Spider Project site has a document, reportedly published together with Romtelecom, Romania at PMICOS conference, where a detailed report is provided on usage of Spider Project for managing of a portfolio of 1,600 projects, containing up to 170,000 activities"

• "Spider Project releases". PRIMARY

This is a primary source but it confirms non-controversial point (amount of releases) published. In such a way in my view it confirms to Wikipedia's policy on the usage of primary sources: A primary source may only be used on Wikipedia to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that can be verified by any educated person with access to the primary source but without further, specialized knowledge Ev2geny (talk) 22:42, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

• "Spider Project versions". PRIMARY

This is a primary source but it confirms non-controversial point (different versions). In such a way in my view it confirms to Wikipedia's policy on the usage of primary sources: A primary source may only be used on Wikipedia to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that can be verified by any educated person with access to the primary source but without further, specialized knowledge Ev2geny (talk) 23:18, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

• "Нефинансовый отчет об устойчивости развития и экологической ответственности" (PDF). Олимстрой. Государственная Корпорация. (Olympstroy. State Corporation). 2011. (in Russian)
• "Документы для ответственных исполнителей. Пример заполнения Сетевого графика строительства (Documents for subcontractors. Example of network diagram)" (PDF). Олимстрой. Государственная Корпорация. (Olympstroy. State Corporation). (in Russian)
• Liberzon, Vladimir; Shavyrina, Victoria. "Methods and Tools of Success Driven Project Management" (PDF). Spider Project Team. PRIMARY
• Archibald, Russell; Liberzon, Vladimir. "The Application of Success Probabilities, Success Driven Project Management/SDPM, and Some Critical Chain Concepts to the Oil & Gas Industry in Brazil" (PDF). PRIMARY as it is Russ Archibald's product.

Don't quite agree As mentioned above, this is not Archibald's product.

• "Official site of Central Economic Mathematical Institute". (in Russian)
• A Comparison of the US and Soviet Economies: Evaluating the Performance of the Soviet System (PDF) (Report). CIA. 1999.
• "Leonid Vitalyevich Kantorovich page at MacTutor History of Mathematics archive". No mention can be found by searching the page with ctrl+f search for "spider"
• Cotterell, Steve (JANUARY/FEBRUARY 2014). "Spider Project Professional" (PDF). Project Manager Today. Archived from the original on JANUARY/FEBRUARY 2014. {{cite journal}}: Check date values in: |date= and |archivedate= (help)(subscription required)  RS it appears on the surface, although I have no way of confirming through the paywall.
• {{Cite book | isbn = 9781300044444 | title = Spider Project 4th Edition | trans-title = | last1 = Possi | first1 = Marcus | authorlink1 = | coauthors = | editor1-last = | editor1-first= | editor1-link = | year = 2012 | origyear = | publisher = Lulu | location = | url =