Talk:Spinning (song)/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 08:47, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

Marks a change to see a song nominated by you that is not the 1975 solo; I will review this over the next few days! --K. Peake 08:47, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

Infobox and lead

• Recording should be mentioned as starting in 2018 within the infobox per the body; are you sure that it is actually sourced as ending in 2020 though?  Done

• If recording refers to the physical recording of their vocals then the dates would be 2019-20 (Atkinson is mentioned recording her vocals in 2019, and then again in 2020 in Sydney–the last known mention of any vocals being recorded). If it encompasses the initial songwriting up until the final mastering, the recording spans 2019-21. Giacobbe ^talk 21:35, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

• It refers to both the song's composition and vocals being recorded, meaning that "The initial recording of "Spinning" occurred in 2018..." sources that as the beginning year, if you read the sentence in full. --K. Peake 09:48, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

• Ah okay, makes sense. Giacobbe ^talk 16:27, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

• WP:OVERLINK of No Rome, Charli XCX and the 1975 under songwriter(s)  Not done

• Per WP:OVERLINK: "... if helpful for readers, a link may be repeated in infoboxes, tables, image captions, footnotes, hatnotes, and at the first occurrence after the lead". When dealing with legal (as opposed to stage) names in infoboxes, I generally choose to link to provide clarity for the reader. Giacobbe ^talk 21:35, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

• Are you sure the 1975's nationality needs to be mentioned when the artist listed before them is of the same one?  Done

• How would you word this? I'm worried that saying "by Filipino recording artist No Rome, English musician Charli XCX and the band the 1975" sounds like the nationality of the band has not been included. Giacobbe ^talk 21:35, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

• I was thinking you could write that but "and band the 1975" since the nationality is implied in a way? --K. Peake 09:48, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

• Mention the release being as a standalone single since that's notable for the lead  Done
• "Development of the song began in 2018 when the song's producers" → "Creation of the song began in 2018 when the producers"  Done
• Pipe chorus to Refrain  Done
• "writing and recording her portion" → "finishing her portion" because the body only says about her completing her work in the night  Not done

• Per the body: "Upon waking up to find her melodies, lyrics and vocals already finished..." Giacobbe ^talk 21:35, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

• "in an auto-tuned style" → "in an Auto-Tuned style" for correct stylisation  Done
• For the chart positions, place in the order: UK, Ireland, US, New Zealand, especially since the latter two aren't main charts  Done

• Is this a personal stylistic preference or an actual steadfast rule? I noticed before in a separate review you advised me that "... geographical order is not needed for the lead apart from for native countries". I tried finding more info about it in MOS:LEAD and the other four required MOS guidelines for GAs but couldn't dig anything up. Giacobbe ^talk 21:35, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

• The UK is their native country and regarding the rest of the order, I suggested to put Ireland second since that is the other main chart, while the US and NZ ones are secondary. --K. Peake 09:48, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

Background and development

• "there, all together."" → "there, all together"." on the quotebox, per MOS:QUOTE  Not done

• The quote includes the entire sentence full stop. American English (which the sourced article is written in) dictates that commas should always be included before the end of a quote. It was the author who continued writing and not No Rome, thus the reason there is a comma. Giacobbe ^talk 22:06, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

• Remove comma after second studio album  Done
• Pipe Matthew Healy to Matty Healy  Not done

• The article was recently redirected back to the 1975. Giacobbe ^talk 22:06, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

• Oh sorry I should have checked... good job on you removing his pipes elsewhere, though. --K. Peake 09:48, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

• Isn't "working relationship" or something similar a better way to describe the bond than "friendship"?  Done
• The source does not specify that the material they worked on with Daniel was the upcoming album  Done
• "and feature on fellow album track" → "and featured on fellow EP track"  Done
• "to the band's" → "for the band's"  Done
• Remove commas around A Brief Inquiry into Online Relationships  Done
• "released in November of the same year" → "released in November 2018"  Done
• "background vocals and production work from" → "background vocals and production from"  Not done

• He did not produce the music. He is credited as aiding in the technical production (programming, synths, drums, etc..) on certain songs. I can change this to "technical production work" or "technical production" if you'd prefer. Giacobbe ^talk 22:06, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

• I would say that "technical production work" is more accurate.  Done --K. Peake 09:48, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

• "for a song on her third album" → "for material on her third studio album" since the source does not specifically say one song  Done
• "music", and while their" → "music" and while their"  Done
• "for her album." → "for the album."  Done
• "and the [the 1975]", the singer" → "and [the 1975]", the musician"  Done
• "for pop music, "energy and [their] uniqueness"" → "for pop, "energy and ... uniqueness""  Done
• "and said she" → "while adding she"  Done
• "of a potential collaboration." → "of the collaboration."  Done

Recording

• Add "that same year" at the end of the img text, followed by a full-stop, plus pipe Matthew Healy to Matty Healy  Partly done

• Per my above comments regarding the redirect. Giacobbe ^talk 22:26, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

• It is only mentioned by the sources that No Rome worked on the beat with Daniel  Done
• "his part, and Healy" → "his part and Healy"  Done
• "feature on the collaboration," → "would be featured on the collaboration,"  Done
• "of her part," → "of Charli XCX's part," but are you sure the "explaining the delay" part makes it accurate to say this was after her portion?  Not done

• What do you mean by this? Giacobbe ^talk 22:43, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

• The sentence says that the three contributors worked on the track after she had recorded her part, but are you sure that is what the source is saying with its wording? --K. Peake 09:48, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

• Yes: "'They take a lot of time to work on ideas,' she laughed, explaining the delay". Plus, it isn't likely to be challenged. If she recorded her part in 2019 and the song was completed in 2021, they would had to have continued working on it (since all three are producers). Giacobbe ^talk 12:24, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

• "work on the "Spinning"." → "work on "Spinning"."  Done
• "to work on ideas, a contrast from" → "to work on ideas in contrast to"  Done
• "No Rome told Basbas that the musicians" → "No Rome opened up that the musicians" since you already mentioned the interview with Basbas in an earlier section  Done
• "St Jerome's Laneway Festival. They later recorded vocals for the track" → "St Jerome's Laneway Festival, recording vocals for it" per the source  Done
• "completed her vocals in" → "completed her part in"  Done
• "the latter stated that" → "the latter of the four stated that"  Done

Release

• Move to being the section after music and lyrics  Done
• "donated his proceeds" → "will donate his proceeds" since the song was released this very year, but should the img say Healy or the 1975 per him not directly being mentioned as the member behind the decision?  Done
• "with a tweet saying: "Sounding good boys."" → "via a tweet saying "sounding good boys"." per MOS:QUOTE and the source, plus "with" is too repetitive  Done
• "and title were not revealed." → "and title were not revealed at the time." because the source is reporting from then  Done
• "tweeted on 28 February" → "tweeted on 28 February 2021"  Done
• "announcing that they would be" → "announcing they would be"  Done
• "the singer made another post" → "the musician made another post"  Done
• "artwork from the track and its" → "as well as the artwork and"  Not done

• It was a photo released of the three animated characters together, not the artwork for the single. If you have a better way of wording this, I'm opening to suggestions. Giacobbe ^talk 17:45, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

• The music video info should be moved to that section instead  Done
• "was released on" → "was released by the label on"  Done
• "The musicians partnered with" → "They partnered with"  Done

Music and lyrics

• Change auto-tuned to Auto-Tuned on the audio sample text for the correct stylisation  Done
• "An upbeat pop and house song,[7][8][24][25] "Spinning" contains elements" → "Musically, "Spinning" is an upbeat pop and house song,[7][8][24][25] with elements" with the wikilink per MOS:LINK2SECT  Done
• Pipe glitch pop to Glitch (music)  Done
• I don't think you should mention the piano-driven melody being house, as the sentence already says it is a piano house production  Done
• Pipe synth to Synthesizer  Done
• "and chopped, auto-tuned vocals." → "and chopped Auto-Tuned vocals." with the pipe and wikilink  Done
• "keep it revolving"." → "keep it revolving."" per MOS:QUOTE on full sentences  Done
• "invokes the band's" → "invoke the band's"  Done
• "wrote that the track is" → "wrote the track is"  Done
• Shouldn't the part before the nostalgic sense quote just be "opining that it delivers" per the source's actual wording?  Not done

• This is just to add context for the reader as to why the song's lyrics would be considered nostalgic. Jolley references the pandemic several times throughout the article: "...unashamedly fun escapist anthem that’s arriving right when the world needs it", "while the lyrics ... hit hard considering our isolated reality right now" and "...explosion of pent-up energy that’s remained bottled throughout a party-less year" Giacobbe ^talk 11:31, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

Reception

• Img looks good!
• None of the reviews here appear to be mixed or negative, so shouldn't the lead say widespread acclaim or something similar?  Done
• "commended "Spinning"'s "fun" house beat" → "commended the song's "fun" house beat"  Done
• "highlighting the composition of "Spinning" for maintaining the "the energy" → "while highlighting the composition of "Spinning" for maintaining "the energy"  Done
• "commended Charli XCX," → "commended Charli XCX's presence,"  Done
• "of the single, DeVille described the song as" → "of the song, DeVille described it as"  Done
• Mention what week the song was declared one of the best for  Done
• "DeVille said that "for all" → "DeVille said "[f]or all"  Done
• I Like It When You Sleep, for You Are So Beautiful yet So Unaware of It does not need to be introduced as by the 1975 when you've already done that  Done
• "was not as" → "is not as"  Done
• Wikilink serotonin  Done
• If the reference to the pandemic from earlier than Basbas' review is removed, then pipe pandemic to COVID-19 pandemic  Not done

• Per my above comments. Giacobbe ^talk 12:09, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

Music video and promotion

• You needn't mention in the video beginning sentence that No Rome is animated, as the visual is already known to be this  Done
• "wrote that it was a" → "wrote that it is a"  Done
• Merge the Coup de Main and NME sentences by using a connective like while, as they are too small to be independent  Done
• "the music video, a 7-inch" → "the music video, as well as a 7-inch" to make it clear that these were parts of the book too  Done

Credits and personnel

• Create this section, probably using the Tidal ref

• Unfortunately the Tidal ref does not contain any of the producers or technicians, only the songwriters. Once No Rome's album is released in the coming months, this section can be created. Giacobbe ^talk 11:42, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

Charts

• Good

Release history

• Format → Format(s)  Done
• Digital download and streaming is not backed up properly by [21], as Tidal is only a service for streaming  Done

• Replaced with Apple Music ref (which includes the iTunes download link, as iTunes no longer has a separate website). Giacobbe ^talk 12:00, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

References

• Copyvio score looks decent at 39.8%
• Make sure all of these are archived by using the tool  Done
• Add Charli XCX's account as the author for ref 9, plus cite Twitter in the via parameter instead  Done
• Dummy Magazine → Dummy Mag on ref 18, plus change in prose too  Done
• Use the various citations template to create a ref to back up digital download and streaming, but ref 21 should be kept anyway since it is used for other information  Done
• Dirtyhitstore.com → Dirty Hit on ref 22  Done

External links

• Good

Final comments and verdict

•  On hold until all of the issues are fixed, but the review took a little longer than usual due to my work schedule! --K. Peake 08:04, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

• @Kyle Peake: I believe I've corrected/addressed all of your comments. If there's anything I've missed, let me know! No worries about the timing of the review, you're a busy guy now!! Giacobbe ^talk 12:26, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

• (CA)Giacobbe Very good response but for the Apple Music part, I would suggest adding citations for various countries since the current one leads to the US store even though that is not in the URL you added. --K. Peake 20:39, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

• @Kyle Peake: I’ve added a link for the UK since all three artists are based in the country. I can’t find anything for the Philippines, however. Giacobbe ^talk 11:56, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

• (CA)Giacobbe Add one for Ireland or New Zealand too, as the song charted in those countries... plus use the various citations template. --K. Peake 12:04, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

• @Kyle Peake: Done! Giacobbe ^talk 12:23, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

• (CA)Giacobbe ✓ Pass now, just added the national retailers in brackets for 7digital since there's two citations! --K. Peake 14:14, 24 May 2021 (UTC)