Talk:Spoorthi

Talk Page: Spoorthi

Removal of poorly written, poorly or unreliably sourced, synthesised, or otherwise inappropriate content

The way in which this version article was elaborated, structured, written, and cited, is in breach of various policies and requirements at Wikipedia. See also WP:BLP, WP:NPOV, WP:RS, WP:V, WP:UNDUE, WP:SYNTHESIS, and WP:NOT. If there is continued edit-warring, canvassing, or personal attacks, sanctions will need to be applied. Ncmvocalist (talk) 12:46, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

The way you are removing bulk content from the article without giving specific justification amounts to vandalism. You are removing properly given references without justification. The same references have already been reviewed by many users and accepted as 'properly sourced'. The same references have also been accepted as 'properly sourced' on other related articles such as Airtel Super Singer Junior and Diwakar. How come you find the same references and same type of references as 'poorly sourced' in this particular article?. It looks like you are the one engaging in continued edit-warring or personal attacks. Merinsan (talk) 13:06, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Another user already told you how patently ridiculous you sound when you alleged vandalism, and he's quite right. But even ignoring the foolish allegations you have made, it seems you do not understand that Wikipedia articles do not just compile whatever can be found on the web. Would you like me to go line by line in relation to why your edits were not acceptable? For a start, Hotstar is not a reliable source. Ncmvocalist (talk) 13:17, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Which another user told me how? There isn't such. Hotstar is an official channel hosted by STAR TV network. Why isn't that a reliable source. Star TV is a world wide TV network. I have discussed with other experienced users prior to getting the article accepted and published and I was told 'YouTube' type of videos are not acceptable, but established and popular 'TV' shows hosted officially can be accepted as a reliable source. You only seem to be interested in removing every thing from the article for whatever reason known only to you. Merinsan (talk) 14:01, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

About the Third Opinion request: Your request for a Third Opinion has been declined because, first, there is insufficient discussion of the content issue here. 3O like all other forms of moderated content dispute resolution requires thorough discussion of content issues before seeking help. Second, what has been discussed so far above is largely conduct and 3O does not handle conduct issues; ANI or speaking to an administrator is the proper forum for conduct issues. Regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 14:08, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Merinsan, if you click the words "patently ridiculous" in my response above, you will find User:Arthur_goes_shopping has told you exactly that. As far as Hotstar is concerned, it is a self-published source. If you click and properly read through Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons#Reliable sources, you should understand the problem with it - even as an official website hosted by the STAR TV network. I'm afraid Wikipedia's essay on competence may address why I would suggest that disruption, however well-intentioned, does no more than adversely affect the quality of articles here and the operation of this site. I'd also strongly advise you to refrain from continuing to personalise this dispute when the issue is your failure to comply with editing policy on Wikipedia. The other part is this section about Wikipedia's stance on undue weight. This article is a biography about a singer; it is not an article about a single event in London or a single television show. Ncmvocalist (talk) 14:55, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Ncmvocalist, clicking the words " "patently ridiculous" doesn't mention anything about 'vandalism'. However User:Arthur_goes_shopping starts with his disagreement to the way you have removed bulk contents form the article Spoorthi. He only mentions 'ridiculous' for me suggesting that you may be acting from partiality in a children's talent contest. I have only suggested that statement seeing you removing bulk or whole contents from this particula article Spoorthi without justification whereas you haven't made this kind of edits on other similar and related articles such as Diwakar, Airtel Super Singer, Alka Ajith, etc. which also use same or same type of references. For me, it is you who continue to personalise this issue as you tagged File:Spoorthi with the Title Trophy after winning the Super Singer Junior 4.jpg as having no source information, labelling my claim of having personally taken the photo myself as "bogus" without any substantiation. This file hasn't been hasn't published elsewhere prior to my upload into Wikipedia. You may find what another experienced user has to say about your editing activity here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ncmvocalist#.22Bogus_sourcing.22. For me your bulk content removal edits on the article Spoorthi and your unsubstantiated tagging on the file File:Spoorthi with the Title Trophy after winning the Super Singer Junior 4.jpg I uploaded as "bogus source" doesn't look like being made in good faith. Merinsan (talk) 20:29, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Your reason for making the suggestion is both inaccurate, and inappropriate. Multiple editors have disagreed with you at the deletion nomination and speaks volumes regarding your tendentious editing. As far as "similar and related articles" you've cited, you will find that I have removed similar problematic content from both Diwakar and Alka Ajith in the same vein - but even if I hadn't taken that step, WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS addresses that. I've already addressed Huon in relation to the tagging, and the edits you have made have been poor overall. Your edits are not in compliance with core policy, and you really should not be editing anywhere in the BLP article space. Ncmvocalist (talk) 09:54, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Protected Edit Request

(1). In the "Personal Life" section, please remove "who is a Senior Manager at IBM Global Business Services, and Sindhu Rao, a freelance musician. Her mother, who is also a music teacher, was her first guru. Spoorthi has a brother, Samarth Rao, who is two years younger to her. According to her mother, Spoorthi developed an interest towards music at an early age, and learned to sing along while listening to her mother practice. She started her music training under the tutelage of light music teacher Narahari Dixith, Tabla guru Pt. Rajgopal Kallurkar, Carnatic classical music guru Yashasvi Subbarao and film playback singer Parthu Nemani.[5]" Source 5 doesn't work, and none of it follows from any other source. Therefore, this section fails WP:VERIFY.

(2). Super Singer World Tour section has undue weight, as listing of all the other stars is not relevant to a BLP, and seem to instead be promoting the Super Singer World Tour event.
Please can you shorten it to "Spoorthi will be part of the concert titled ‘SUPER SINGER WORLD TOUR - 2015” at The SSE Arena, Wembley, London, England, on Friday, April 3, 2015.[16][17]" Joseph2302 (talk) 18:20, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

(1). This edit request asking to remove Spoorthi's mother's name and brother's name from the article doesn't seem appropriate. They were repeatedly mentioned and shown on the TV show which ran for more than a year and are household names to all those who know about Spoorthi. They have also performed on stage along with Spoorthi on many occasions, all of which are available on the website hosting this TV show. Every episode of the Airtel Super Singer Junior 4 program is freely hosted on Super Singer Junior 4 website run by Star TV. Details about Spoorthi's family along with details of Spoorthi's gurus, how Spoorthi developed an interest towards music at an early age as well as Spoorthi's school and education were exclusively covered in one episode of the program which is given in the article as Source 5. This source does work. It may be possible that this source is not working in the country of the above user who has made the edit request, but in many parts of the world including India this source and contents are freely available.

(2). The details about Super Singer World Tour is given in this article in good faith to ascertain and establish Spoorthi's notability, for having got an opportunity to share the podium at the concert at Wembley Arena, London, England with such eminent personalities from Indian Music Industry. This opportunity doesn't come to anyone easily. And this is the reason those statements were included in the article and with good intentions. This show takes place in a day and such a passing mention about this show in this article doesn't serve any promotional purpose for the show. Merinsan (talk) 21:52, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

(1). Can someone else check link [5], if it works for other people then keep the information that it is in the source. For me it just goes to the mainpage of that website, which doesn't have the info.

Information should only be there if it's sourced, so if the family info (name, Ibm job) aren't in a source, then they shouldn't be there.

(2). I still think it's too much detail about the others, there's no need to list all the other finalists (as a reader can find them on Airtel Super Singer Junior 4 article. Joseph2302 (talk)

Information about Spoorthi's father's IBM job was given in a source earlier. As one of you said that the given source doesn't mention anything about Spoorthi, and insisted on removing it, I have obliged and removed that source. If necessary you may find this information here and here. If required one of this link may be re-added as a source. Names of other finalists are mentioned only as a respect to Spoorthi's co-contestants and not to show Spoorthi as the only attraction in the show. These names are also indicated in the source given for that statement. It is done in good faith and intentions. Merinsan (talk) 22:18, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

I didn't ask for sources to be removed. Technically neither of them mention her by name, but the first one does mention "My daughter". I'm not very good at working out when source info is okay/not okay, but I personally think that would be okay, and certainly better than nothing. As for the rest of the family, it definitely needs sources. Joseph2302 (talk) 22:40, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

• Responding after a request was made at WP:BLP/N#Spoorthi. First up regarding the parents names, I could not find them in either source given in the article. The last source is a 45 minute video, which is not really convenient to find what should be easily sourceable information. As this is a potential BLP issue it is probably wise to remove this until better sourcing is presented. If that can't be done it strongly suggests that the information is not important enough for this article. FWIW I agree with some of the other comments here that it seems rather bogged down in minute detail, but that is not a pressing BLP issue. AIRcorn (talk) 06:31, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Spoorthi's birth name is given as Spoorthi Santhosh Rao, which indicates, going by Indian naming customs, Santhosh Rao is her father's name and Rao is the family name. In that video source the first 15 to 20 mins exclusively about Spoorthi, details about Spoorthi's family, her music career, her gurus, school and education, etc. In that video, Mr. Santhosh Rao, Spoorthi's father talks about 'Sindhu Rao', Spoorthi's mother and Samarth Rao, Spoorthi's only brother about how they all have been a big support throughout Spoorthi's journey through this competition for over a year. In a biography article, leaving out the names of a person's mother and her only brother doesn't seem appropriate to me. Especially when the statement is sourced in some way. I do respect opinions of experienced users and whatever action Admin take. This article was created, submitted and approved for creation after being reviewed by many experienced users and revised and incorporated with the comments received from those users. Merinsan (talk) 07:18, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

As an administrator action, I've edited the article to remove the names per WP:BLPPRIVACY: they are not public figures, the listed sources do not verify them, the edit war makes clear the issue is contentious, and claims which rest on an analysis of traditional naming customs may well be accurate but are also original research. Please note I have no other involvement in this article, and the edit was made through page protection because BLP issues take precedence over most other things. There may be an argument for inclusion of the names if proper sources can be found, but that's a matter for consensus on this page and implementation when the page protection expires.

Hope the above explanation properly explains the edit, and happy to discuss further if required. -- Euryalus (talk) 08:40, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

The edit request posted by the originator is to remove only Spoorthi's mother's name and brother's name, not her father's name. As it is obvious from Spoorthi's birth name which is Spoorthi Santhos Rao, her father's name must be Santhosh Rao as per Indian naming customs and it is not a contentious issue. I think, there is no harm in showing Spoorthi's father's name. Merinsan (talk) 09:30, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Request to add AFD tag to the page

Can some admin add {{subst:afd1}} to the article page? The AFD nomination is at the expected place. Pinging @MelanieN and Euryalus:. Thanks. Abecedare (talk) 10:02, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

 Done -- Euryalus (talk) 11:33, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Protection

I have restored full protection to the article, because edit warring resumed as soon as the previous protection expired. I reverted to the last neutral version of the article. I deliberately chose an "expanded" version, so that the community discussion at AfD can take the entire (non-expurgated) article into consideration. --MelanieN (talk) 15:58, 6 April 2015 (UTC)