Talk:Springfield Town Center

Notes

Vornado is having problems with its loan to rehab the property. See http://washington.bizjournals.com/washington/stories/2009/11/30/daily93.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.207.240.4 (talk) 20:05, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Redevelopment delay

Oh, boy, another delay. http://washingtonexaminer.com/local/2009/05/supervisors-delay-springfield-mall-redevelopment —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.207.246.4 (talk) 19:14, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Article needs MAJOR overhaul

This article needs a major overhaul. Currently, it makes the facility look like a hotbed of crime in a dangerous neighborhood, and the photos appear to be pushing an agenda. I was there yesterday with friends, and all three of us emerged from the mall unharmed. This confirms for me that the article has MAJOR problems with POV, and thus the article needs a serious overhaul, if not a complete rewrite. SchuminWeb (Talk) 23:51, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

SchuminWeb, You nuked the page and have not even attempted to build a new. You stated a major overhall was needed and most of the information is sourced. You removed almost all the old content and you ave not contributed anything to the newly created page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.169.218.73 (talk • contribs)

As much as it may seem to the contrary at times, I do have a life outside Wikipedia, and I have indeed been busy with real life lately. The material had to go right away due to POV problems, since it skewed it from a neutral presentation to making the facility seem like a hotbed of criminal activity. The fact that the material is sourced is why I preserved it on a talk subpage. Once I go through all of it, I'll have an idea about what is still worth including and what's not, but listing every stupid little crime that's ever happened there is overkill. The idea is to spotlight certain events that led to the mall's having a reputation for crime. Regarding the redevelopment, same idea. It is sourced, and I will be going through all of it, in order to write a coherent section that explains the difficulty of redeveloping the property. The list that previously existed was sloppy. I make no apologies in saying that the execution was sloppy, because it was. So let's analyze and write good paragraphs with the sourcing we have. SchuminWeb (Talk) 05:42, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Whoah. This mall is *notorious* for having gone way down hill--several major crimes have happened there in the past 10 years, including kidnapping and murder. To leave that out of the article is ridiculously irresponsible--it *is* known for gang activity, etc., that's what so shocking is that it was safe until a few years ago. This *does* happen in properties. Just because you adn your friends emereged unscathed does not negate the actual crimes that actually occurred--again, kidnapping and murder. The last time I checked the article, all of those items were sourced. Some kind of protection agenda is going on here. Very disturbing. 64.132.218.4 (talk) 20:38, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate list of things and events. Instead of writing:

• On December 24, a man was murdered.[1]
• On January 13, a woman was kidnapped.[2]
• On March 17, a boy was stabbed.[3]

You ought to be writing.

• In winter 2010/11 several crimes occured, including murder,[1] kidnapping,[2] and stabbing.[3]

If you see what I mean? As ShuminWeb says, "write good paragraphs." —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 22:46, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Exactly. This needs to be condensed a bit and rewritten, and those sources will come in handy in rewriting when we analyze what's going on with the list and figure out how the story needs to be told. SchuminWeb (Talk) 01:14, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Parroting anon from above: "SchuminWeb, You nuked the page and have not even attempted to build a new. ... You removed almost all the old content and you ave not contributed anything to the newly created page." Just now, again, the current version had all mentions of "murder[1]" "kidnapping[2]" and "stabbing[3]" removed by Schumin. ~a (user • talk • contribs) 03:12, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

All of it is preserved for a rewrite. Look at the section below this one to find the material, and let's start rewriting. SchuminWeb (Talk) 04:38, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

SchuminWeb , It has been nine months and you have not improved upon or contribute further. I am disturbed by your agenda, bias and protection of the Springfield Mall. It appears your intention was to delete and sensor content. 134.205.241.78 (talk) 20:02, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Ah, if I had a nickel for every time someone has said that about article cleanup... SchuminWeb (Talk) 20:19, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Events, crime, and redevelopment lists

• Talk:Springfield Mall (Virginia)/Lists

This is too much for an encyclopedia article and unsalvageable as currently written, but it is all sourced. SchuminWeb (Talk) 12:41, 24 February 2011 (UTC)