Talk:St. Theodore Guerin High School

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There has been a bit of an edit war going on over this school's football rivalry. I am sure it is due to the inexperience of the other editor, but just for the record, this is why I keep taking out the paragraph containing "in the lore of this rivalry". There is nothing in either article you have cited that speaks to the history of the rivalry, and that kind of phrasing might make your English teacher glow, but it is not appropriate style for an encyclopedia. When writing an encyclopedia article, you want to just stick to the facts. Save the flowery stuff for creative writing 101. Gtwfan52 (talk) 04:11, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

School article guidelines

Hi. I am hoping the two IP editors that keep adding the highly promotional tone and underreferenced copy to the article will come join this discussion. I have been removing unencyclopedic content from this article for a couple months now and I am getting tired of it. So, point by point, here is why:

1. "The fine arts program has always been a part of the school's curriculum. Mark Duray, was appointed as the Director of Fine Arts in 2004 and he continues to play a key role in greatly enhancing the program."
   1. We don't use non notable faculty names in US high school articles (except the principal). The rest of that sentence really does not impart any useful information. per WP:WPSCHOOLS/AG
2. "The Guerin Catholic Golden Voice Choir continues to gain national recognition. In 2007, Golden Voice was selected as the only choral group in the state of Indiana to perform for President [[George W. Bush]] at America’s 400th anniversary celebration in Jamestown, Virginia.<ref>http://www.guerincatholic.org/about-us/school-history</ref> Also, during their April 2010 trip to New York City, Golden Voice received numerous awards at the Festivals of Music competition including the "Esprit de Corps" Award – given to the group displaying the highest character while representing their school, First Place for High School Mixed Choir, and the Overall Winner of the Festival.<ref>http://www.guerincatholic.org/fine-arts</ref>"
   1. The actual achievements are referenced only to the school's website. If I told you I was John Wayne, would that make me John Wayne? Claims of achievement need reliably sourced, independent referencing. The copy is not clear at all about what competition the awards were given at, but unless the competition was some sort of national championship, it is not considered encyclopedic under the guidelines. The rest of the paragraph was again what we call weasel words, words that sound impressive but really do not impart any information. That kind of writing may make your English teacher happy, but it has no place here.
3. "Guerin Catholic has a vast number of extra-curricular activities to accommodate the students' interest. There are a plentiful amount of clubs and groups that students can get involved in, ranging from Golden Voice to Ski Club. The dedication of the activities vary; some may meet every day while others may meet less than monthly."
   1. Again, this is all weasel words. The stuff about when clubs meet is only of interest to the local school community and hence out of guidelines.
4. "...the privilege of... for the members of the Guerin community"
   1. Weasel words. Just adding words that say nothing.

And since I started writing this, one of the IP editors has added it again. So, it is off to WP:RPP I go to ask someone who is not going to WP:3RR to revert it yet again and protect the page so IP's cannot edit it. Gtwfan52 (talk) 19:10, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Incorrect grammar/wording and other changes

1) "Each school year the students in the SADD Club have a school convocation."

• The students in the SADD club don't have a convocation they put on the convocation... everyone member (students and facutly) attend the convocation

2)"Clubs at Guerin include: Academic Super Bowl, Art Club, Best Buddies, Book Club, Brain Game, Broadcasting Club, Comedy Sports, DECA, Entrepreneurs Club, Garden Club, International Club, Kenya Help Us, Key Club, Latin Club, Lemon Club, Magnificat Club, Math League, Mock Trial Team, National Honors Society, Peer Tutoring, Ping Pong Club, Rocket Club, Students Against Destructive Decisions (SADD), Teens 4 Life and Yearbook."

• Say the clubs range from the student-lead yearbook (the Aquila) to Ski Club. Your sentence sounds like something a 4th grader would write (your just listing the clubs/activities from the school's website)... the same website I wasn't allowed to use in the fine arts section... got it John Wayne?

3) Fine arts program

• YOU add more facts/content OR just delete the section... for God's sake the section only has one sentence

4) Picture

• It would be nice if you added the school crest above to info box

If you are going to bitch about someone's grammar, it would behoove you to use punctuation. Flowery writing has no place in an encyclopedia article. If one sentence covers it, one sentence is what is needed. Are there art programs along with music? That would be a helpful addition. I simply cited non controversial facts to the school website, which is fine. You were trying to cite a claim of achievement to it, which is not.

Wikipedia is edited by consensus, and throwing an attitude at me because the administrators have forced you to come here and talk if you want changes on the article is not a good way to work with the other editors to form it. Much of the consensus on what content school articles should have was formed a while back and can be found at the link above for the school article guidelines. You and the other IP editor keep inserting unreferenced, promotional toned additions. They have no place here. This article is about the school not for the school. Someone from the school has no more right to edit it than any other editor. And since editors that have no connection to the school can be more impartial and understand that using "vast" to describe the 25 clubs this school has is hardly appropriate, it is probably better that they do it.

If you want the school's crest in the article, provide a link to it and I will be happy to handle the red tape on adding it to the article. And thank you for the suggestion on the SADD convo; I will change "have" to "present". Gtwfan52 (talk) 20:40, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

I think the crest in the top left of the attached link would be great Done

http://www.guerincatholic.org/images/about/Guerin_School_Profile%202012-13.pdf

If it is too difficult this crest would b second best

http://guerincatholicalumni.org/................ NEW

I think we should put the fine arts program has always been apart of the schools curriculum (speaks to history) Not done

Also, the SADD club members don't present. They plan and put on the convocation... they bring someone in to present to the Guerin student body... "to the Guerin Catholic student body" should be added SADD is all about the STUDENT'S making correct decisions Not done

I think this picture would look nice if it was added somewhere on the page too... maybe under the info box Not done

http://studyskills.com/educators/case-studies/.......... NEW

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Next, the image. The one on the pdf is not copyable (since it is a pdf). Both searches you left came up blank when I ran the link. I remember seeing one that was copyable on the school's website. I will look again and use that.

Lastly, the proposed edit to arts and student activities. The statement that it has been a part of the school since the beginning is unneeded. It might bear mentioning when it started if it wasn't at the beginning, but I think the average reader would simply assume that any program mentioned had always been there. As far as the requested edit about SADD, the article is about the school, not one club at the school. Adding unreferenced copy that simply promotes the goals of the club is not appropriate. There is a wikilink to SADD, so I will wikilink it so interested parties can follow the link and learn more. And planning and putting on something is pretty much the definition of "presenting". (Think "Mirimar Pictures, in conjunction with somefool productions, presents Some Film from Foo"). Regarding saying it was put on for the student body, aren't all convocations put on for the student body? That would be just adding words to add them, something we try not to do on Wikipedia.

And thank you for your attitude. Things will work out if the editors here work with each other to present the best article possible about the school. Oh, and speaking of history, any chance you would be interested in working on a history section? They are fairly easy, as they can be referenced to the school's website. You just got to make sure it isn't promotional sounding. Gtwfan52 (talk) 02:46, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

New links added above for the pictures

Got the logo. Thanks. Will add it and the wikilink I mentioned in a few minutes. A photo from a website is a no-go. There are copyright issues. The simplest thing to do would be register for an account and then upload a photo you took yourself. IP editors cannot upload images. If you decide to go that route, send me a message on my talk page and I will help you figure out the uploading thing from there. Happy editing! Gtwfan52 (talk) 03:48, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 11 October 2018

Please add our New President. Please add Boys and Girls Lacrosse as standard offerings in the school program. 40.0.21.51 (talk) 03:12, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

 Not done Please follow the instructions. John from Idegon (talk) 03:36, 11 October 2018 (UTC)