Talk:St. Thomas University

Page move

These requests were made on WP:RM but were withdrawn.

Saint Thomas University → St. Thomas University

This is the proper legal name of the institution. --Spinboy 04:49, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

• Is it? Prove it. The literature (the college's website, college books, etc.) are mixed when using Saint or St. Unless you prove otherwise, I'd prefer the unabbreviated "Saint." Pending that, provisional Oppose. —ExplorerCDT 21:48, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • Look at their main website, and the provincial legislation that governs them. --Spinboy 05:38, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
    • Also see under Schedule A. --Spinboy 05:45, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • That works for me. Thanks Spinboy. Vote changed to MOVE. —ExplorerCDT 06:40, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
• Move Seems pretty official to me, and certainly the common use. Also, consistent with the article as at present. Alai 06:30, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
• I don't oppose, but I think some clarification is needed. There is another move proposal under consideration below for this page. Also there are separate disambiguation pages for Saint Thomas University and University of Saint Thomas. They should be merged. And there is at least one other University of Saint Thomas, in Houston. A consistant approach is called for. --agr 22:10, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • They have different legal names. --Spinboy 23:03, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • I think we want to avoid making the proposed move any more complex a 'package deal' than at present, but I pretty much agree. At a minimum the two disambigs should point to each other; possibly they should be merged, or duplicate each other's content in some form (if you wanted to list the four in a different order in each, say). And each of the four article should point to (one of) the disambig page(s). Can tidy that up either in advance or after the fact, if there's a degree of general assent. Alai 23:17, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
    • Comment: I still think we need University of St. Thomas (Minnesota) and University of St. Thomas (Texas) and St. Thomas University (New Brunswick) and St. Thomas University (Florida), as I began to suggest below. Now, if one uses St. and the other uses Saint. in their legal names, we don't need the parenthetical qualifications. —ExplorerCDT 08:21, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
      • Comment: This sounds okay to me, and have the main pages University of St. Thomas and St. Thomas University be disambig pages. --Spinboy 17:25, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
        • There is no pressing need for a disambiguation page if there are only two of each. That's what a disambiguation header is for. —ExplorerCDT 18:07, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
          • I agree with a single disambig page for all uni's w/ St. Thomas in the name, as people are likely to be confused one way or the other. As it is, I've added a 'see also' on each existing disambig page. As for the Saint/St. debate, meh!. --BD2412 06:16, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Comment As we have new facts on the ground, can this now be withdrawn (if satisfactory), or restated in terms of the current arrangement of pages (if not)? Alai 06:24, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)

St. Thomas University → St. Thomas University of New Brunswick

There are two St. Thomas Universities - this one and one in Miami, now on a separate page. I believe there is also a University of St. Thomas in the U.S. Virgin Islands, so I suggest we change this one and make the current page a disambig. --BD2412 20:02, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)

• Currently Neutral, seeking answers to the following questions. 1- Is the Canadian institution's official name Saint Thomas University of New Brunswick? Because, apparently their website just says "St. Thomas University." 2 - Can we have Saint, and not St. (as apparently the article using the abbreviation is a redirect)? 3 - (just a point of information, not a question) - The need for disambiguation is more pressing than previously thought: University of Saint Thomas is the name of 2 schools, (1) in Saint Paul, Minnesota USA [1]; (2) in Houston, Texas USA [2]; Saint Thomas University is the name of 2 schools, (1) in Miami, Florida USA [3]; (2) in Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada [4]; However, the St. Thomas, U.S. Virgin Islands institution is just a campus of the University of the Virgin Islands on the island of St. Thomas (the other campus on St. Croix). —ExplorerCDT 20:55, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)
• Against. You can create a seperate disambig page and link from there. --Spinboy 21:12, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment: I went and looked, those other Uni's don't have any articles on Wikipedia. However, I went and created a disambiguation page in case they get one. Please feel free to edit it. --Spinboy 21:15, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)
    • Comment: I recognize a need for disambiguation, but I think it would be more appropriate as a header, one STU dismabiguating to the STU, with a note saying there are two institutions named UofST. Just a header. —ExplorerCDT 21:46, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)
• Comment. See St. Thomas University of Miami - neither institution includes the name of the city in its name, so neither has a clear claim to being 'the' St. Thomas University. Each should have a page that reflects its particular locality, with a disambig for all possible St. Thomas U's. Also, it would be not be good to use Saint Thomas for one and St. Thomas for the other, as the terms are interchangeable, and neither specifically designates one school or the other (i.e. both schools use both spellings). --BD2412 21:36, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • I don't agree with the naming of the STU-Miami article...if anything since the "of Miami" isn't part of the institution's legal name, it should be Saint Thomas University (Florida) or something of the sort, and yours Saint Thomas University (New Brunswick). Lastly, I don't think "St." should be used at all. I say eschew abbreviation and write it "Saint." —ExplorerCDT 21:42, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)
    • I completely agree as to ExplorerCDT's proposal for designating the locations - my entire concern is that it not appear that either institution is being stamped as the "official" St. Thomas University. --BD2412 05:08, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Provisionally Oppose. Unless St. Thomas University of New Brunswick is the title, or a recognised variant title, then St. Thomas University (New Brunswick) or St. Thomas University (Canada) would be preferable and clearer, as and when a redirect is needed, and I'm not convinced it is at present, given the lack of of a (non-substub) article for the other. I'm also confused as to why the article is currently at Saint Thomas University when the article text claims that St. Thomas University is the corect name. (But counter-proposing any of the above moves while this one's being contemplated might be to complicate matters unduly...) Alai 21:46, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • I'm confused as to why the article has that name as well. Someone went and re-named it, but it's legal name is St. Thomas University. There is now a disambig header on the article. --Spinboy 04:44, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)
• Request withdrawn. Since the situation appears to have been fixed, I withdraw my request for a name change (although I note that someone else has requested changing it back to the original). --BD2412 06:08, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • Correction - the other name change dispute is over Saint or St. --BD2412 06:13, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)
    • The web site of the New Brunswick university uses "St. Thomas". There does not seem to be any reason to change it to "Saint". -- Curps 06:17, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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