Talk:St Matthew's Church, Leyburn, North Yorkshire

Page move

Robert Weemeyer why the name change in the page move? Church of St Matthew, Leyburn, would be fine to be moved to Church of St Matthew, Leyburn, England. England should be the disambiguator here, as there is no other Church of St Matthew in Leyburn. And as it was Church of St Matthew, it would be fine to be that again rather than a name change of St Matthew's Church. Come to think of it, I cannot see that there is a wiki page about the one in Australia, so why does this page need to be moved at all, as it remains the primary topic? Grateful if you could explain your rationale here, thanks. The joy of all things (talk) 11:15, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

The Church of England calls it St Matthew's Church, Leyburn (and not Church of St Matthew). Here are photos of St Matthew's Church, Leyburn, Queensland. About the disambiguator: I checked the Category:Church of England church buildings in North Yorkshire and found All Saints' Church, Spofforth, North Yorkshire, so I thought it would be fine to use the same disambiguator. -- Robert Weemeyer (talk) 11:42, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

Robert Weemeyer thanks for responding. The cites govern the name - the churchnearyou website list all churches by their name (All Saints Church, St Luke's Church, Holy Trinity Church etc.) You'll see that at least one cite in the article states Church of St Matthew - the Historic England cite (which is the official name - the C of E also list all churches officially as such see the sign here [1].) Check the Historic England website, any listed buildings that are churches are always listed as Church of Foo, not Foo church. Happy for the name change if necessary, but if that's the case, then most cites call it simply Leyburn Church. Your own pointer given above (Category:Church of England church buildings in North Yorkshire) - look at the list, about half are Church of XX and the others are St XX Church.

Point 2 - All Saints Church, Spofforth, North Yorkshire is an outlier, it does not need the North Yorkshire in the title (see All Saints Church#Yorkshire), none of the others in North Yorkshire need the North Yorkshire disambiguator unless there happens to be two churches in the same region or place with the same name. Again see your own pointer Category:Church of England church buildings in North Yorkshire, none of the others have the region as a disambiguator - indeed only Spofforth does, which is bizarre.

As it stands, as there are two churches both called St Matthew, Leyburn, then they disambiguate as country first, then region, county etc downwards. So in this case, Church of St Matthew, Leyburn, Australia, and Church of St Matthew, Leyburn, England. However, as there is no wiki article about the one in Queensland, then the current one in North Yorkshire does not need to be moved. Thoughts? Thanks The joy of all things (talk) 12:07, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

I see that despite us trying to discuss this, you have gone ahead and changed the listing with this edit here [2]. I consider this behaviour very bad form when you haven't fully answered my question, so good luck to you, I am leaving this alone. The joy of all things (talk) 12:51, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

I am sorry I didn't read your answer before continuing. In the mean time I have created the article St Matthew's Church, Leyburn, Queensland, so some sort of disambiguation is needed. According to Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names)#Disambiguation, disambiguation should be done by state (for places in Australia) or by county (for places in the United Kingdom). But okay, this is a naming convention for places, not for churches. However I couldn't find a specific naming convention for churches. -- Robert Weemeyer (talk) 13:18, 13 February 2023 (UTC)