Talk:St Paul's Square, Birmingham

Split church into own article

I think it's time to split the church off into its own article. Both church and square are separately notable and should have articles. Oosoom ^Talk 18:23, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Requested move 31 March 2015

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Moved. Seems fairly uncontroversial, and no opposition. (non-admin closure)  — Amakuru (talk) 13:47, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

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St Paul's Square, Birmingham → St Paul's Square – No need for the unecessary disambiguation, no other article or likely target. Zarcadia (talk) 14:52, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

• Comment, "Birmingham" would provide a less than ideal topic clarification, GregKaye 19:38, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

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Name / apostrophe

Hi @Oldhamtw: just noting that I've reverted your rename of the page to St Pauls Square. Per WP:RMUM, if you wish to proceed with the move you should open a formal move request (at WP:RM) and then explain the reason, and attempt to gain consensus for the change. The key point is that the WP:NAMECHANGES guideline needs to be met, in that reliable sources should be routinely using the "new" name. As far as I can tell, even though this change happened in 2009, many sources still use the apostrophe, e.g. [1][2][3]. Also, the street signs themselves as well as Google Maps still used the apostrophe as of 2023... See maps.app.goo.gl/ijq28B95sBdwNBwq6 (can't link that due to WP policy apparently) . Overall, I'm not seeing that a change of common name has occurred to match the change of official name.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:04, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

An update:

I haven't yet got in touch with the council (they probably have bigger things to deal with) but the road signs don't help clarify the issue. As far as I can tell, 6 of the road signs around the square have 'St Paul's' and 9 have 'St Pauls'. I do wonder if this is a case where the presence of the former name on Wikipedia has hindered the changeover. I'll also be contacting Google Maps to see if they think the name change needs implementing.

apostrophe

maps.app.goo.gl/vpEuzpXY2CTjcgGX6

maps.app.goo.gl/MpwQcMFHds1Xy2x28

maps.app.goo.gl/VZkHBCDG828zHsNC9

maps.app.goo.gl/9cpbzFbsDiQNFpAZ8

maps.app.goo.gl/PRD97Pr4DAipV9Qr5

maps.app.goo.gl/GRESGr79meYZ7oBi6

no apostrophe

maps.app.goo.gl/iunmVufyhxnnGugw7

maps.app.goo.gl/HTcf5kZSVnp8pKUt6

maps.app.goo.gl/TVMGJ7snFsTYhUiaA

maps.app.goo.gl/jwgp23Y7QsXQK4DG6

maps.app.goo.gl/M9Gy395dW37ptoQe7

maps.app.goo.gl/s3dEnzNWEts8Cc7HA

maps.app.goo.gl/SoYKidcJPvzELdDVA

maps.app.goo.gl/iksskb5b8awycQtD9

maps.app.goo.gl/ZL7uX8gn2zzjqmSVA Oldhamtw (talk) 19:46, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi there! Apologies for getting the process wrong (WP:AGF). I don't know how much you know about Birmingham, but the apostrophe removal was a whole thing. I live in a suburb that's been dealing with the fallout from having the apostrophe removed for years (we're still phasing it out bit by bit). The council replaced half of the signs on this square and left the other half so that they could transition slowly in public perception... and it's still going on. Half the confusion comes from the fact that St Paul's Church (with apostrophe) didn't change its name, and still uses that form. Given the council policy hasn't changed, and everywhere else in the city has followed suit, I thought I'd update the wikipedia article.

I'll try and get an answer from the City Council (haha) to see if they have any answers Oldhamtw (talk) 16:01, 22 March 2024 (UTC)