Talk:Stadio Diego Armando Maradona

Requested move 4 December 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: page not moved. The support votes might be more than the oppose votes, but consensus is against moving to the official name at this time. The support votes are not based on policies, while the oppose votes easily note that the move is against common name in multiple reliable English sources at this time. Since Wikipedia is not a crystal ball and we don't know what common name will stick in reliable sources in the near future, it is against policy to perform this move at this time. With this closure, there is no prejudice against a future RM if the official name starts sticking in reliable sources. (closed by non-admin page mover) —Nnadigoodluck███ 23:13, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

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Stadio San Paolo → Stadio Diego Armando Maradona – The stadium has been renamed now. The Naples city council has approved the name change (per reliable journalist Philippe Auclair on Twitter). – PeeJay 15:56, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose for now. Although it is official (a secondary source), it is currently unclear whether the name will be used more than Stadio San Paolo. WP:OFFICIALNAMES. This is the case for Milan's San Siro, and although officially Stadio Giuseppe Meazza, San Siro seems to be used more often than the official name. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 16:38, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 16:45, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose per Vaselineeeeeeee, exact name not yet clear, I've also seen 'Stadio San Paolo Diego Armando Maradona' mentioned. GiantSnowman 16:50, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support per nom. --Mazewaxie (talk • contribs) 17:05, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. GiantSnowman 16:50, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose for the time being. If people take to calling it by the new name (which I do personally think is likely), it ought to be renamed but for now it's entirely possible that people will continue calling it the San Paolo, in which case Wikipedia should reflect that. Icarus2027 (talk) 17:26, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support. It’s the new official name, Wikipedia should use it --Mvvnlightbae (talk) 17:52, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
• Wait too soon to determine if this becomes the common name in English language sources. Which is more important than what the official name is. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:12, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support.[1] --MonFrontieres (talk) 00:44, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support I think, In this official name change case, Wikipedia have to use new official name. common name rule should apply to in this case - Inter Milan and FC Internazionale Milano (Both terms are used for a long time at once in English sourses. But Inter Milan more used than FC Internazionale Milano in English sourses.Footwiks (talk)
• Support Official names are official names, not recognizing this fundamental rule about naming articles officially, reflects possibly one frequent hypothesis: feeling bias or a negative opinion about the honored person, in this case: Maradona.--🌀 Byralaal (+505-chat-toMe) 02:26, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

Uhh, not at all. That’s a pretty wild assumption. Almost all of the support !votes are not policy-based, just wanting to use the official name before we know if it’s a common name. That’s not really how it works. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 03:29, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia doesn't really name things according to their official name, though? It uses the most recognisable name in English sources. That's why it's Inter Milan, not Football Club Internazionale Milano and why it's Atlético Madrid, not Club Atlético de Madrid, just to keep to football-related examples. It's very likely that the Stadio San Paolo name will stop being used very soon in favour of the new name, but until that actually happens, we shouldn't presume it actually will, especially because it's not even likely that the full new name will be used. It could instead be called something like 'Stadio Maradona', 'Stadio San Diego' or any other variation. The thing is, we don't know and there is absolutely no rush on renaming this article until we know for certain we need to. It's nothing to do with disliking Maradona, don't be ridiculous. Icarus2027 (talk) 12:31, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

@Icarus2027: Please use your diplomacy to get some respect about myself. I'm not your friend even I'm not your brother. ad hominem arguments are not allowed. Respect me and write arguments without negative adjectives to me. Thanks.--🌀 Byralaal (+505-chat-toMe) 13:47, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

Blimey, you're genuinely that offended by 'don't be ridiculous'? One, it's a simple expression that isn't exactly meant to convey insult, so you'll understand if I decline to apologise. Two, you made an absolutely ridiculous assumption in accusing people who're opposed to renaming the article of only being so because they dislike Maradona, so again, I'll stick to my previous request that you don't be ridiculous. Icarus2027 (talk) 13:56, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose for now per Vaselineeeeeeee. San Siro is not the official name for that stadium, it's the common name. I think we need to wait and see whether the new name is adopted as the common name. Number 57 13:21, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose for now. Revisit the question in some time to see what happens per WP:COMMONNAME. Geolojoey (talk) 15:10, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support, it's the official name now. Taurus Littrow (talk) 21:03, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support offcource. Offical name is more important thing than opinions or how multiple sources name something. In this case there is only one reliable source: OFFICIAL NAME. Mainpoint88 (talk) 19:21, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

The official name is not the decisive factor of how an article should be titled. Icarus2027 (talk) 02:35, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

• I would like to point out the official change of name of the San Paolo stadium Resolution of the municipality of Naples and Authorization of the Prefect. --Paskwiki (talk) 22:27, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

See above. Icarus2027 (talk) 02:35, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

@Icarus2027: Please read WP:BLUDGEON, you don't have to reply to every editor who doesn't support your view. Taurus Littrow (talk) 08:04, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

@Taurus Littrow: I wasn't, I replied to those who I got the impression were outright unfamiliar with the policy. But I take your point. Icarus2027 (talk) 11:52, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

• Support it’s the official name and it’s starting to being used by most media outlets. Gonzaloges (talk) 17:54, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support As much as I concerned, the recent match between Napoli and Real Sociedad which ended 1–1, the stadium was already renamed as "Stadio Diego Armando Maradona". It meant the name was officially endorsed. ZaDoraemonzu (talk) 19:53, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
• Comment: I mean, given these are WP:NOTVOTES, even though the support !votes are double the oppose !votes, just saying "it's the official name now and that's what we have to follow" goes against WP:OFFICIALNAMES currently. A "vote" that doesn't seem to be based on a reasonable rationale may be completely ignored or receive little consideration, or may be escalated to wider attention if it appears to have been treated as a simple vote count. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 20:35, 10 December 2020 (UTC) I'll just add this on to my comment after seeing both !votes below. As Andrewa stated, the common adoption of the name has not been demonstrated yet, even if it was used by sources on the first day of Napoli playing in the newly named stadium. That does not show its sustained use. It may take a month or two to see if the name sticks among sources. While I think it is likely that they will continue to call it by the new name given Maradona died young and is a 'modern' star, we shouldn't jump to conclusions. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 18:17, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
• Support I waited until today to state my opinion. The stadium was treated by all media, websites and fans as "Diego Armando Maradona Stadium". Unlike San Siro, which is still used as a common name from many websites and articles (we can claim that the two names for San Siro are evenly used throughout the world). These facts showed a highly unevenly distributed use of the name "Stadium Diego Armando Maradona", which goes to show that this is how the stadium is going to be addressed from now on. SteliosGR (talk) 08:03, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose. We go through this repeatedly, and the nom in providing a patently invalid rationale has unfortunately encouraged many above to follow that lead. The policy is clear: Until recent reliable secondary sources are using the new name, we don't move the article. We just set up a redirect from the new official name. The common adoption of the new name has not been demonstrated, so no move. Andrewa (talk) 17:27, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

• Agree, which is why wait and see is the correct thing to do. A few places using a new name isn't a clear WP:COMMONNAME, and moving this due to WP:OFFICIALNAME changing is just incorrect. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:20, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Misinformed posted

This is the fourth largest stadium in Italy not the third, the third is Stadio San Nicola in Bari, stop removing my edits GrimXLive (talk) 00:46, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 4 November 2021

Stadio San Paolo → Stadio Diego Armando Maradona – It has now been nearly a year since the stadium was officially renamed. From what I have seen, most news sources and people on websites such as Twitter and Reddit since that time have referred to it by names such as "Stadio Diego Maradona", "The Maradona", etc. rather than "Stadio San Paolo". I believe enough time has passed since the last move request that "Stadio Diego Armando Maradona" has become the WP:COMMON NAME. Geolojoey (talk) 12:59, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

History.

The stadium was apparently built in 1948 but Napoli FC didn't move there till a decade later. Can someone fill in why and for who this stadium was built for? It has an athletics track so presumably it was a municipal multi-sport arena. Bovis Messroom (talk) 21:27, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Stadio Maradona

I think the short form, Stadio Maradona, is the more common name for the stadium than the official one, more long, Stadio Diego Armando Maradona and so I think that maybe that should be the name used as title page. 82.84.2.195 (talk) 22:07, 13 December 2023 (UTC)