Talk:Stanhope Medal/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Eddie891 (talk · contribs) 20:48, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Will take this on as promised. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 20:48, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Comments

• " is a perpetuating award given annually" try "is an annual award given..." or " is an award given annually", perpetuating is kinda redundant

 Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 10:07, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

• what makes ref #2 reliable?

 Done - removed Davis web reference and replaced with newspaper clip references.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 10:07, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

More to come, just thought I'd publish these changes now Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 20:10, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

• "an award given annually by the UK's Royal Humane Society for the most courageous and heroic rescue that was made in the previous year. It is in memory of British Royal Navy officer Chandos Scudamore Scudamore Stanhope for his life-saving events he did throughout his lifetime. It is an international award." I'd probably just rephrase this whole thing as "an international award... It is in memory of British Royal Navy officer chandos... Stanhope, who performed several life-saving events during his lifetime" or something along those lines

 Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 21:31, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

• There should probably be a section about the award in general...

 Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 21:31, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

More to come...Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 20:12, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

A 'notable recipients' section might be useful? Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 21:24, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

 Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 21:48, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

• You never mention the circumstances of his death, jumping to 'soon after his death'

 Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 13:36, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

• "It has been awarded by the Liverpool Shipwreck and Humane Society, as well as by Humane Societies in Australia, Canada, and New Zealand." so the Royal Humane Society doesn't always award it?

 Done - My understanding is that it has been nominated for the award by the above Societies. Corrected wording and gave web page inline reference to show this of Awards of the Royal Humane Society. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 14:30, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

• "Periodically no medal has been awarded as no significant rescue was deemed sufficiently worthy during the previous 12 months" maybe add something to give a sense of how often it isn't award

 Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 14:45, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

• "bronze and silver awards, but before 1937 it resembled just their silver award" can you link or provide anything for readers to understand what they might have looked like

 Done - should be 1837 and corrected. AND linked to Royal Humane Society web page showing the various metals and how they relate to each other.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 14:09, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

• "The Stanhope Medal then was in 18-carat gold" after 1937?

 Done - Yes. The medal issued in the twenty-first century is identical to the Royal Humane Society's bronze and silver awards, but before 1837 it resembled just their silver award. AND It became 9-carat gold in 1942.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 13:22, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

• can you add citation to the notable winners section

 Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 13:22, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Looks much better, thanks for bearing with the fragmented review. I might have some more comments soon Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 12:59, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Actually I liked the fragmented review, as then I could handle the issues as they were given and they were not overwhelming as when they come all at once. I believe I have addressed all the issues you have brought up so far - can you double check. Thanks. Ready now for any other issues to work on. BTW, excellent review as it really got me thinking and I had to do additional research to cover those points that you brought up - as most other readers probably had the same issues in mind. Now the issues are solved BEFORE they come to mind.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 14:53, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

@Eddie891: This could get to be confusing on the dates. I believe I have it correct now. Perhaps you can see if you see it this way also: The Stanhope Medal is suspended from a plaque-shaped bar (see picture). It was always before 18-carat gold UNTIL 1942 when it changed to 9-carat. Stanhope died in 1871 (of smallpox). The award was officially founded in 1873. In the 21st-century the Royal Humane Society's bronze and silver awards are basically identical. The Stanhope medal is identical to them, EXCEPT it is hung from a plaque-shaped bar inscribed STANHOPE MEDAL and in gold. Are we on the same page here? Have I written it correctly to spell this out? --Doug Coldwell (talk) 15:26, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks again, it looks much better! The years make sense to me now. As far as referencing goes:

• on a spot check I don't see ref #2 citing all the information it should.

 Done - added ref [2] news clip ref of "Intelligence has been received..." to "Stanhope died from..." --Doug Coldwell (talk) 14:42, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

• Ref #6 and #7 the URL is broken (are they the same source?).

 Done - Used this book for reference to replace Ref # 6 & 7 - "The medal collector; a guide to naval, military, air- force and civil medals and ribbons"

• Have you considered using this source?

 Done See above. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 18:38, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

• might be something here?

 Done See above. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 18:38, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

• could mention Matthew Webb was the first recipient in the article text

 Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 19:01, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Other than that I think referencing/comprehensiveness is decent. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 13:52, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

@Eddie891: All issues have been addressed. Can you take another look. Thanks. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 19:01, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Doug Coldwell, I'm terribly sorry that I forgot about this! The article, though short, is reasonably comprehensive, and I found no sources that could be used to dramatically expand it. It meets the GA criteria as well illustrated, written, referenced, neutral, etc. Passing.Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 14:48, 9 July 2020 (UTC)