Talk:Starrcade (2018)

change the results

the results are unknown as the show has no aired or even taken place, the source to the results is just to a page that says the matches are happening the source it either incorrect or someone has edited the page saying what they can happen — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.11.116.55 (talk) 14:46, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Recent edits

Galatz, in response to your most recent edit of Rollins and Ambrose not having a storyline: they do, however, that storyline is for TLC, not this, which is just a televised house show. The two are gonna battle probably a few more times on house shows before TLC, but when it comes time for TLC, it will be as if they had not battled outside of their encounters on Raw. Was this match even promoted on Raw? Same thing with Strowman and Corbin here. This show is not canon to the televised product (the only thing that would make it canon is if a title change happens, but that would be the only thing canon from this show).

Furthermore, looking at just 2018, every WWE pay-per-view event on Wikipedia does not include the monotonous "[event] will consist of professional wrestling matches that involve various different wrestlers from pre-existing scripted feuds and storylines. Wrestlers will portray villains, heroes, or less distinguishable characters in scripted events that build tension and culminate in a wrestling match or series of matches." which you claimed they did. No, they instead have the much simpler "The card will consist of matches resulting from scripted storylines, with results predetermined by WWE's writers on the Raw and SmackDown brands." The following sentence, "Storylines are produced on WWE's weekly television shows Monday Night Raw and SmackDown Live." was kept but I had reworded due to the nature of this event (I even kept the first sentence of the first quoted bit). --JDC808 ♫ 22:59, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

WP:OSE just because other pages are wrong according to the style guide, doesn't mean you should change this one to be wrong. There are storylines leading into this event, the fact that they play out differently on TV is meaningless. Who cares if nothing from this event goes into the following programming or not, which by the way is your WP:OR guess that it wont. They did promote this on both Raw and SmackDown so anything you assume is purely a guess and you have no idea what will play out next week. - Galatz גאליץ^{שיחה Talk} 13:30, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Okay, since you are so strict by the guidelines, why have you never changed the other events to be like how this page is? You have edited those other event pages many of times but have never made the effort to change them like how you're wanting it here. What's the difference? If I remember correctly, there was actually a discussion where the shorter description used on practically every other WWE event page is preferred.

They promoted that the event would be on the WWE Network, but they did not promote the matches for the event (because they are not canon and are not part of the actual storylines). Just like last year, this is just a house show with a special name and they decided to air it on the Network this year (which is something WWE is planning to do with more house shows). Have you never been to a house show? They feature wrestlers in current storylines, but the matches themselves and the outcomes etc. have no actual affect on the storylines (the only exception is the very rare title change). That's not OR, that's fact. --JDC808 ♫ 00:47, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Again your predictions are WP:OR and WP:CRYSTAL. What leads into the event has nothing to do with what comes out of it. The house shows follow the feuds going in very often (not every match, but many). The Aftermath section seems to be where you are saying nothing comes out of, but that is irrelevant to the current discussion. Also I have changed it on tons of pages, this is the page I saw you editing, not those. As you can see by what others have added 5 of the 7 match has storylines leading into them. - Galatz גאליץ^{שיחה Talk} 16:22, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

No, the Aftermath is not just what I am talking about it. I'm also talking about the storylines going into this, which there are none. The storylines that have been added here are not for this event, and that's where you're getting misconstrued. You've obviously glossed over what I said, because I did acknowledge the fact that the matches on house shows are based out of current storylines, HOWEVER, they have no actual baring on the storylines going in or coming out. You are smarter than this Galatz; stop trying to use and hide behind guidelines when there are actual facts in play here. You said you changed it on tons of pages, but this appears to be the ONLY WWE one that you have changed it on. --JDC808 ♫ 23:15, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

What pages I have changed it on is irrelevant, but since it seems to matter to you so much, look at the old WCW and TNA and ECW pages. Also if your arguments seem to revolve around the notability of this event. Sounds to me like you are making a case for AfD rather than including where the storylines played out. - Galatz גאליץ^{שיחה Talk} 14:46, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Since my last posting, you have began adding it to WWE's event pages, which looks absolutely ridiculous. You've basically made them all run-on sentences because you are so insistent that everything has to be down to the exact dot by the guidelines (they are guidelines, not set-in-stone rules, they have flexibility). I have not put into question the notability of this event, but merely the storylines, which I've been stating since the very beginning of this discussion. Oh, by the way, guess who was right about these supposed storylines for this event? Like I tried to tell you from the beginning, these matches had no baring on the storylines going in or coming out of this event because it was just a house show and, with the exception of some very rare instances (like a title change), house shows never do (an example, Dana Brooke; she played as a face at this event, but then on Raw, she was back to being a heel as if Starrcade never happened). I don't think AfD is necessarily the right option, but perhaps a merger to Starrcade like last year's was. Really, the only difference between this year's and last year's was that they took footage of this year's and made it into an hour long special on the WWE Network. --JDC808 ♫ 03:21, 1 December 2018 (UTC)