Talk:Statue of Glenn McGrath

Requested move 31 December 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 07:13, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

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Glenn McGrath (statue) → Statue of Glenn McGrath – Per WP:VAMOS, which says, "For portrait sculptures of individuals in public places the forms "Statue of Fred Foo", "Equestrian statue of Fred Foo" or "Bust of Fred Foo" are recommended, unless a form such as "Fred Foo Memorial" or "Monument to Fred Foo" is the WP:COMMONNAME. If further disambiguation is needed, because there is more than one sculpture of the same person with an article, then disambiguation by location rather than the sculptor is usually better. This may be done as either "Statue of Fred Foo (Chicago)" (typically preferred for North America) or "Statue of Fred Foo, Glasgow" (typically preferred elsewhere). If the sculpture has a distinct common name, like the Bronze Horseman, that should be used." --Another Believer _(Talk) 16:05, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Support move. Omnis Scientia (talk) 18:55, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose (although support if the name isn't sourced), oppose move for generally the same reason I've opposed some others, that this is not a portrait sculpture but an action sculpture. Portrait opens with "A portrait is a painting, photograph, sculpture, or other artistic representation of a person, in which the face and its expressions are predominant." This statue is much more than the face and its expression, as it depicts a full body of a sportsman involved in his sport. Randy Kryn (talk) 23:57, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

  @Randy Kryn, majority of statues are written as "Statue of *person's name*" in the absence of an official name. Omnis Scientia (talk) 00:08, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

There is no mention that Glenn McGrath is not the official name, which appears on the plaque adhered to the side of the statue. Randy Kryn (talk) 00:12, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Names of the person are always present on the statue for identification but that doesn't necessarily make that the official name. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:10, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Agree ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:53, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Possible, and I agree if no name is sourced. But that's different than calling it a portrait statue. For example, the two statues of Mickey Mantle probably have full names but are not portrait statues (on one image it looks like the name is engraved in front but can only make out "The" which, if nicknames count, might refer to it being named "The Mick". Randy Kryn (talk) 23:34, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

p.s. Yes, the Statue of Mickey Mantle (Commerce, Oklahoma)'s name is probably The Commerce Comet per many sources such as this one. Randy Kryn (talk) 03:18, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support; this is definitely a portrait statue. Ham II (talk) 13:12, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

  Sure it is, if you just count his face. Randy Kryn (talk) 23:35, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

  You're taking a rather questionable sentence (largely unchanged since 2007) at the top of the Portrait article as your definition. A portrait can be full-length, and sometimes the symbolism is a more significant element than the expression. Ham II (talk) 12:19, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

  If that's the case then any painting or sculpture of a human doing anything would qualify as a portrait. This sculpture is of a sportsman in action dressed in uniform, and not just of a person or family in pose. I do agree that if the statue does not have a formal name then the "Statue of..." applies, just not that this one is a portrait. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:35, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support per nom. I disagree with Randy Kryn's narrow interpretation of WP:VAMOS's category of "portrait sculpture". The point of this limitation would be to distinguish sculptures that aren't predominantly about depicting an identified (or easily recognizable) person as that person (i.e., not just as a model), not that the face is more prominent than other parts. Otherwise, equestrian statues wouldn't be included. SilverLocust 💬 21:47, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

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