Talk:Steinway Tunnel

GA Review

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Reviewer: Hog Farm (talk · contribs) 03:39, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

@Hog Farm: Due to Passover, I won't be able to do any editing from tonight until Thursday evening at the earliest. I am still committed to addressing your concerns with the article. Thanks for your patience and stay safe.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 23:06, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Perfectly fine by me. I'll leave it on hold for you. Hog Farm (talk) 23:18, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Just came across this. I translated the page from the German article many years ago, and a lot of things might still need to be fixed. I didn't think this was quite GA quality initially, but it seems like Kew Gardens has resolved some of the issues. epicgenius (talk) 21:02, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Criteria

1. Prose ✓ Pass

2. Verifiability  On hold

3. Depth of Coverage  On hold

4. Neutral ✓ Pass

5. Stable ✓ Pass

6. Illustrations ✓ Pass - caption

7. Miscellaneous ✓ Pass

Comments

1.

• "As Steinway was the NY&LIRR's biggest stockholder, the tunnel was named after him.[5]" - This has already been stated in the previous sentence.
  •  Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 22:40, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
• "Until Steinway died in 1896, some attempts were occasionally made to resume construction" - I think this would read better as "Attempts to resume construction were occasionally made until Steinway died in 1896"
  •  Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 22:40, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
• "There, the tram of New York" - Should there be another "the" between of and New York?
  •  Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 22:40, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
• "The tunnel was holed through on May 16, 1907, and were completed " - This shifts from singular to plural
  •  Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 22:40, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

2.

• "At that time period, movement through the New York metropolitan area was hampered by many large, nearly impassable bodies of water, figuratively cutting the different regions apart from each other (except for ferry service, which was not always possible or practical). In addition, plans to build the Queensboro Bridge were stagnant at the time" - The cited source doesn't seem to mention the bridge by name or the bodies of water causing difficulties.
  •  Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 16:49, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
• "On July 22, 1887, Walter S. Gurnee and Malcolm W. Niven founded the New York and Long Island Railroad Company (NY&LIRR), and soon began planning for the tunnel.[3]" - The source doesn't mention anything about Niven until 1890
  •  Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 12:42, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
• "The total cost of the 5.6-mile (9.0 km) tunnel was to be US$11.7 million.[3] " - I'm not finding the cost in the source, either. Is this source stable?
  •  Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 12:46, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
• "In July 1891, piano maker William Steinway, a major landowner in Astoria, Queens, started to fund the tunnel. He became a major shareholder and became the new chairman of the company, so the tunnel was named after him." - I'm not seeing where July 1891 is mentioned
  •  Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 12:42, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
• "an uncontrolled explosion claimed five dead and twelve injured" - Not sure what Hood says, but the NYT claims "half a hundred maimed", which is inconsistent with 12
  •  Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 16:21, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
• You state "The original IRT plan had been to resume trolley car operation,[10] but this was rejected in favor of a regular rapid transit train service." Source 3 is phrased "The original IRT plan was to resume trolley car operation, but this was discarded in favor of a regular rapid transit train service". This is only two words different, and needs rephrased to avoid possible COPYVIO
  •  Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 15:24, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
• "Since the tunnel ramps towards Queens were significantly steeper than normal IRT specifications, with a gradient of 4%, special rolling stock had to be procured for the Steinway Tunnel line. The "Steinway"-type subway car had the same dimensions as an ordinary subway cars of the IRT, but included modified gear boxes. Initially, twelve single-car consists were approved for the original shuttle" - This doesn't seem to be supported by Chapter 5 of the Public Service Commission
  • Fixed.  Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 15:46, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
• "another 126 cars were added to the fleet." - I'm not finding the 126 figure in the source
  • Fixed.  Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 15:46, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
• " In the same year, BMT services stopped operating on the Flushing Line east of Queensboro Plaza, and the IRT was assigned exclusive operation of the line" - I'm not finding this in the source either
  •  Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 15:50, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
• Is ITV Squad a reliable source? We have no way of knowing who Bad Guy Joe (the post author) is, or if this goes through any sort of vetting.
  • LTV Squad? Yes, for pictures. For facts, though - it's debatable. epicgenius (talk) 21:02, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
    • "When Belmont modified the IRT Flushing Line to extend to Times Square and to Flushing, it was found that the loops could not be used for the extensions. The loops on the Queens side of the tunnel were obliterated in the wake of new construction. The loop on the Manhattan side, however, is intact and occupied by maintenance rooms, although the ceiling third rail still exists in the loop." - It's used as an inline for that. After looking over the source, I personally don't consider it to be reliable. I'd need some good evidence of reliability before I passed a GA candidate using this source.
  • Rogoff covers this, and that is where it got its information.  Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 16:16, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
• Ref 26 needs the date
  •  Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 16:43, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
• For the Public Service Commission reports, it would be best to link to each chapter on its own, instead of the navigation page.
  •  Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 16:03, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
• Ref 22 needs the date
  •  Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 22:40, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

3.

• "It was curtailed for a little while when five people were killed on December 28, 1892" - Is the cause of the accident known?
  • I made the sentences clearer; it was a dynamite accident.  Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 16:25, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

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6.

• The caption on the infobox image needs tweaked, at a minimum, the paranthesis should be dropped.
  •  Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 22:40, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

7.

• What exactly are the coordinates referring to, especially since a tunnel of this length can't have a single coordinate?
  • I have no idea. Removed.  Done--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 22:40, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

There's going to be quite a bit of work on this one, unless I missed a ton on my perusal of source 3.

• • @Kew Gardens 613: - Are you still interested in working on this one? It looks like it's been about a week and a half since anything's been done with this one. I can leave the review open as long as you're still interested in actively working on it, especially since it looks like you've had quite a few reviews to answer with the last few weeks. Hog Farm (talk) 01:19, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
    • @Hog Farm: I still am very much interested in working on this, and have been bogged down by a lot of work. Thanks.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 09:26, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
      • I'll leave it open as long as you need then. Hog Farm (talk) 15:12, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
        • @Hog Farm: All remaining issues have been dealt with.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 16:49, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
          • Passing. Hog Farm (talk) 16:52, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
            • @Hog Farm: Thank you so much for being patient with the review.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 16:55, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

              @Kew Gardens 613: Likewise, thanks for resolving all the issues. I added this information back when I was a newer editor, and did not realize it had so many problems. epicgenius (talk) 17:32, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

              • @Epicgenius: No problem. Similarly, a lot of my early edits had many problems that I plan on getting back to, if I have not already.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 18:02, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 07:42, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

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• Article history

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• ... that the Steinway Tunnel, which began construction in 1892, was not opened to subway passengers until 1915? Source: Hood p. 163, NY Times 1915
  • ALT1:... that after trolleys ran in the Steinway Tunnel briefly in September 1907, the tunnel was then abandoned until 1915? Source: NY Times 1973
  • ALT2:... that excavations for the Steinway Tunnel expanded a reef in the East River into an an island? Source: Rogoff, David (1960). "The Steinway Tunnels". Electric Railroads. Electric Railroaders' Association (29).

• Reviewed: Angie Mar

Improved to Good Article status by Kew Gardens 613 (talk). Nominated by Epicgenius (talk) at 13:52, 26 May 2020 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: I find ALT2 to be the most interesting (and AGF on it being unmodified from its original printing to being rehosted on a fansite), followed by ALT0. The ALT1 feels like it wouldn't interest most non-railfan readers. SounderBruce 05:47, 2 June 2020 (UTC)