Talk:Steller's sea ape/GA1

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Reviewer: Hog Farm (talk · contribs) 22:33, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

I'll pick up this review. Hog Farm (talk) 22:33, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Comments

Observations - "foating near their ship" - Subject of the sentence is Steller (singular). There's several solutions to this, I'll let you choose.

"the ship"   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  18:09, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Other accounts - Having 4-5 in reddish-yellow hair - You mean that the hair was 4-5 inches long, right? I read this with a slight possibility of ambiguity, but maybe that's just me.

Research history - "He also makes a small note in his most famous book De Bestiis Marinus, calling it an "imperfect account" for lack of a specimen:" - The past tense is probably more appropriate here.

done   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  18:09, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Maybe this next point is just my reading, but it took me a little while to figure out that "Steller assigned this creature to "Simia marina"–which was illustrated in Swiss naturalist Conrad Gessner's book Historia animalium–based on its resemblance, strange behavior, rapid movements, and playfulness.[1] However, the man who first reported "S. marina", Italian biologist Gerolamo Cardano, said it was likely a snake, and Gessner said that it had a covering more like a turtle, and the creature was reportedly green and hairless overall.[5][6] At least 5 years had passed since Steller last saw or read a description of Gessner's sea ape to when he had described his account.[1]" indicated that others had reported the existence of a "sea ape" before Steller, and that Steller was basing his classification upon it. I would have written it to where I mentioned the "identification" of Simia marina as a species before stating that Steller classified his discovery as such, but that's really just an editorial preference. The paragraph works as is, so if you don't want to change it, don't change it.

Might initially read like a tangent if I just start talking about Gessner first   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  18:09, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

See also You seem to be quite knowledgeable about species-related articles, so I'll trust your judgment that these linked articles are related.

References are to reliable sources and are properly formatted.

Images are relevant and properly documented.

COPYVIO None detected. Oddly enough, I found a mirror site that included a sentence from this article under "Annular Tropical Cyclone."

Some articles of this type include a short section about fringe theories, but I do not believe that would be appropriate for this article. Thank you for avoiding the use of fringe sources in this one, I've had some experiences at AfD of users trying to demonstrate that listings in cryptid encyclopedias demonstrates verifiability/notability.

@Dunkleosteus77: Formatting's good, and half of these comments are really questions, not issues. Just a couple small grammar fixes, and this one's a GA. Great work. Hog Farm (talk) 04:34, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

All good now. Hog Farm (talk) 18:40, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

• Without offence to creator, but @Dunkleosteus77:, this a shabby GA. ~ cygnis insignis 13:12, 10 April 2020 (UTC) @Dunkleosteus77:, screwed syntacs, reping?

@Cygnis insignis: you can submit it for GAR if you feel the article has unreconcilable issues   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  14:05, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

• @Dunkleosteus77: That sounds like a plan, but not what I had in mind; GAr is another mill and I'm qualified to get to the nub without that palaver. Would you mind pinging the vested interests to this article? ~ cygnis insignis 16:58, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
• @Hog Farm: per above, without fear or favor, an excellent choice of article that caught my eye … here where are: I believe this needed closer copy-editing and more eyes before promotion. I'm sure you will be agreeable to an improvement to the article, by the simplest path. ~ cygnis insignis 17:07, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

• @Cygnis insignis: - Asides from a copyedit, what exactly do you see that's wrong with this article? I will admit that my spelling/grammar isn't the greatest so I probably missed something. Also, some of your edits added some of the copy edit issues such as "auther". I'm also not sure what the point of some of the changes you made were, such as a reference to "the author" which doesn't fit well with the context and isn't a good title for Steller. Hog Farm (talk) 17:55, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

I don't see any edits that really 'fix' anything. They were just stylistic preferences; there doesn't seem to have been anything truly incorrect that was changed. For example, cygnis changed "around" Shumagin Islands to "near"; "He described the body as being long and fat, thinning towards the tail" to "and thinning"; "and noted" to "noting"; for some reason switched out {{cvt|5|ft|m}} to "around five feet, or one and a half meters long" actually written out; "German zoologist Georg Steller was onboard the" to "German zoologist Georg Steller, aboard the" (which actually makes it incorrect now because you forgot to put a comma to indicate where the interruptor ended); "auther" as Hog Farm pointed out; and you switched "Grouping=Primate" to "Grouping=Mammal" and I don't really know where I stand with that one   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  23:16, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

• @Hog Farm: ta for the response. Apologies for ratty copyedit, it is hardly reasonable to make a fuss when I couldn't even find my glasses. And yes, the simple path is a copyedit, my spelling is okay but grammar is totally questionable; just tightening of what is there was my intention and expected that would have happened during the GA review process. Regards ~ cygnis insignis 13:09, 12 April 2020 (UTC)