Talk:StepMania

Magic Dance

What's all about that Magic Dance thing in StepMania? --Bruin rrss23 10:33, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

It's a play mode... Like, a difficulty thing you can play, like endless and challenge. --24.149.223.96 21:51, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

It is a name given to the internally known "Rave Mode" of Stepmania, which is a port of the battle mode that was in the Disney DDR ganmes. This was later used as the basis for the battle mode in In the Groove.

Most people do not know it's internal name of Rave, and simply call it "Magic Dance"

KurisuYamato (talk) 00:38, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

External link cleanup

As per a request previously on the External links section, they've been stripped down to the most applicable pages. See External Link Spamming. WP:NOT a link farm. Several sites containing simfile packages have been removed, as many of them are linked on the official StepMania page, and many of them fall under #5 of Occasionally acceptable links. If anyone feels this was in error, please start up some discussion here. Plaguefox 11:51, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Should it be mentioned that the inclusion of the 3-D modelled dancers was due to hacking of the appropriate DLLs from the DDRPC Official release for the PC?

It is probably not significant enough to mention; in addition, the dancers were never bundled with StepMania. However, other copyrighted content (graphics and menu music) were. I would suggest that we even replace the screenshot of someone playing a DDR simfile (Spin the disc) with a screenshot of a public domain song and a public domain theme. Drano 12:57, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

I can take a screenshot through the "Zen Rebirth" Stepmania theme. Kil ^(talk) 23:45, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

as of this week's 4.0 CVS release, the noteskins have been changed to some rather pathetic-looking but original noteskins, which now makes every point of the official SM theme and noteskins authentic and original (the theme is an authorized variant of "System Zero" and the noteskins are brand-new (unlike the noteskin used in the current picture, which is based directly off of DDR's "NOTE" or "TYPE2" note color style)). Megaman Z 21:10, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm, it would appear as though the download links page is currently down on Stepmania's site... so it was quite the inconvenience to come here and see that the links to simfiles had been deleted. Sandwiches99 22:37, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Use: Side-scrolling arcade game

I would debate the fact that Stepmania should be classified as a side-scroller, as that term typically applies to 2D adventure games. Although Stepmania features "scrolling" arrows, it should not be classified as a side-scrolling game. Anybody else agree with this point?

Please remember to sign your comments with ~~~~ at the end. Other then that, I agree, it is a "music game" or something along those lines, not a side scrolling arcade game. Havok (T/C/c) 07:40, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Right. It should be classified a rhythm video game as most other bemani/rhythm game articles have normalized that form. Kil ^(talk) 12:57, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

NeonFM listing in "Availability"

Should NeonFM be listed on here? Sure, it was based on Stepmania, but the game was scrapped due to Betson pulling out of their deal with Pop'nKO and heading over to distribute DDR Supernova. Therefore, the game really isn't available anywhere. --Coredesat talk. o.o;; 11:26, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

As they say, it moved ova 4 supa nova. --Hosterweis 08:42, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

--So, nope. --71.220.24.76 (talk) 00:04, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

PSPrevoultion

About the recent claim about the PSP port, PSPrevoultion...

Here's some proof.

http://forums.qj.net/f-psp-homebrew-discussion-12/t-psp-revolution-v02-57675.html

CahalanesDunmanway 16:42, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

The problem isn't whether it exists, but whether it's notable. --NE2 18:59, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Citations

Instead of adding the big citation tag on top, please use {{fact}} so that the points you are worried about get sourced. Not everything is in need of source as the main page for Stepmania and the simulator itself is a source. Havok (T/C/e/c) 09:04, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

I made some references, does it even still need a tag? I see your point that the simulator itsself is a source. Kevingamer 05:04, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Unless someone comes up with some citations that demonstrate this isn't one in a throbbing sea of mediocrity then I'm going to nominate it for deletion, the outcome of which is as certain as the tides if it doesn't have third party sources. - brenneman 10:06, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

I would actually think that you would have a snow balls chance in hell getting it deleted though. Havok (T/C/e/c) 11:53, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

<evil laugh> Only because {{afd}} = {{clean-up}} + steroids in this case. There would almost certainly be refs added, rather than everyone poncing about. - brenneman 12:11, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Please add {{fact}} to the sentences or points in the article that you feel would need citation. Please keep in mind that the website for Stepmania and the simulator itself is a rightful source to cite in this case. Havok (T/C/e/c) 21:40, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

• I'm not going to discuss this any further, I can't be arsed: If citations that indicate notability aren't added, or even a claim to notability than this is a speedy deletion candidate. Is that clear enough? - brenneman 22:33, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

WP:N is a guideline. But by all means, go right ahead. Nominate it for deletion. Havok (T/C/e/c) 13:35, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Ahh, the random nature of articles for deletion: Sometimes it's all blood red and gnashing teeth, and another time it's cuddly bunnies. I'll check back in a few months, to see if the article still needs attention. - brenneman 11:14, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Do what you must. But, like I said, AfD if you feel like it. Haha, I didn't even see the AfD before now. Like I said, snow balls chance in hell. Havok (T/C/e/c) 12:26, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Stepmania has enough players and attention to warrant notability. The fact that the article is so developed proves that many people who use Wikipedia know about Stepmania and added stuff. I concur with snow balls chance in hell for deletion. Kevingamer 18:22, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Keyboard section and its citation

The keyboard section (under gameplay) in the Stepmania article was removed originally for WP:weasel and lack of third party citations. I revised it and restored it, with third party citation. I cited another wiki, the one for Stepmania contributed by the Stepmania Online users. Is this source, another wiki, acceptable? I'm going under the idea that the Stepmania Online Website and the simulator itself is a valid source, ergo all parts of the website and simulator are valid sources. Of course, feel free to edit the section for clarity and post comments or concerns. Kevingamer 18:47, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

stepmaniaonline.com is probably the least valid source possible Moogy ^(talk) 20:29, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

According to Havok in his earlier post, websites concerning Stepmania are valid sources. I'm asking if all parts of the website, such as open edit wiki systems are also valid. Kevingamer 05:16, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

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Vandalizing

it's starting to look like people are making edits on the main article that do not contribute to ANY portion of the article. as of post time, Sgategk has attempted (for a third time) to vandalize the article. I'm pretty sure I speak for the rest of the StepMania community when I say that we don't care for those kinds of edits. Please refrain from these kinds of edits. If you think you may have something to contribute, that's one thing, but just putting in some random guy's name all over the place is what I'm getting at here. -Megaman Z 18:41, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Problem with original research

The portion of the Gameplay section discussing keyboard techniques seems to be original research and/or unattributable. I would like to ask whether it is okay for someone to remove it.

(The reason I am asking this here at all, contrary to WP:BOLD, is the concern of being reverted by a bot. Thus, I need a registered user to perform the removal in order to make sure that everything goes smoothly.) 131.215.159.216 08:45, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Well it's referenced to the official StepMania wiki, which isn't a reliable source. I'd like it to stay because it's accurate, but you're probably right that it should go. On a sidenote, you seem pretty familiar with WP policy. Maybe you could take this opportunity and sign up for an account. Oren0 16:39, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Expanding on the Legality of Stepmix

Is StepMix really legal? The small inclusion into the article makes it appear all okey dokey, but with songs from DDR and such, is it really all that legal? --68.97.75.170 21:30, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

• It's supposed to be. The trouble is that copyrighted materials are hard to identify, despite the Stepmania Team's efforts. And if you mean the songs from Naoki, they are authorized. --Kakurady 15:34, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Oh yeah, Fascination Maxx is so allowed? Not buying it. Konami, believe it or not, cares about their stuff. Also, I believe there were a few songs from StepMix 1 that were copyrighted as well - I doubt they got approved. --68.97.75.170 01:30, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

If those songs are illegal, than nearly every japanese songpack (including the foonmix series) and every single non-konami MAX remix (including ΔMAX) is illegal. we go through and try to verify to the best of our abilities the legality of each submission and have required resubmissions for copyright infringement in graphics. also, following that logic, any fanfiction would also be illegal, so you would be sued for writing fanfiction. guess what? The owners of the Intellectual Property don't sue the people making fanfiction (otherwise, the Galaxy Angel fans wouldn't still be complaining over Klacid's "dating sim" flash game). case closed. Megaman Z 13:15, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

And this is why Zeta is a douche. --68.97.75.170 (talk) 07:41, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

I feel that any music that contains proper samples, or tries to use the identity of a already owned work (such as a Maxx or something, as is common practice in the sim community) should not, in any way, shape, or form, be allowed, as it lacks, in my own terms, its own "identity" as an original composition, and not a remix. I feel it violates the rights of the composer of the original track being remixed or simulated. However, unless Naoke Maeda or any other artist who is "sampled" in a track on a Stepmix CD makes a complaint, I will consider them valid and legal, unless another condition supercedes this. KurisuYamato (talk) 01:10, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Addition of DDReam Studio

I just discovered the Talk option for this page. I recently added the link to the article on DDReam studio, an advanced step editor for SM, but now they are trying to delete my article because it has no news sources (or something). DDReam has not been around as long as StepMania has, but I think it's at least reasonably notable within the StepMania community. If my article gets deleted, is it possible to add a relevant-to-SM and VERY brief mention of DDReam on this page?Jyris1 17:45, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

notability

I removed the notability tag because, as i said in my comment, stepmania is used as the engine in a successful commercial game (In The Grove), shouldnt that be enough?

• I see that its notability has already been discussed at AFD. Kappa 20:33, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Image from Commons

While the image that was used in this article has been deleted and a new one has been uploaded, today I found that Image:StepMania-ingame.jpg has been in the Commons all along.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kakurady (talk • contribs) 15:41, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Image of 4.0 using skin from 3.9

I think this image should be deleted because:

1. It demonstrates nothing. Other than that the two versions are incompatible.
2. The noteskins resemble these from In The Groove, which is now owned by Konami. This may be a copyright violation.

--Kakurady 05:09, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

WP:IFD go for it!-w^{L<speak·check>} 20:24, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Not that it affects the outcome of this discussion, but I would like to note that Konami only ownes the "identity" of In the Groove: They do not properly own any part of it other than the concept of it's existence (or as best as anyone could discern from the legal release from RoxoR.) My point is, the noteskins and such are still owned in concept by the creator, but they legally cannot actually DO anything with them, since they are locked with the identity of In the Groove. This however, does NOT mean anyone else cannot make use of these, so long as they are not used in a commercial product. (Or so my interperitation lies)

Just a thought is all...

KurisuYamato (talk) 00:57, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Frets on Fire - shouldn't be in "See also"

I fail to see where Frets on Fire merits a mention under the "See Also" category for this article. Megaman Z 12:01, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

• Like StepMania, FoF is (yet another) open-source rhythm game simulation program. I think it is relevant.--Kakurady 23:45, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
  • The point I was trying to get across here is that FoF is solely a guitar simulation game, whereas StepMania is a rhythm game simulator. Also, DWI is (for some inexplicable reason) not under See also, so including FoF would mean that we could, logically, include LunaticRave, Be-Pachi Music, and all the other currently-maintained free game-specific rhythm simulators out there. Megaman Z 00:25, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
    • Those pages hasn't been created yet (with the exception of DWI that was deleted once for lack of sources), but I don't see why they couldn't be linked from SM (as long as they don't get deleted). --Kakurady 14:44, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Developers

Why is Chris Danford the only developer mentioned? There are many other people listed on the developer page, although not all are active. Is it just common practice? Steve Checkoway (talk) 10:16, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Removed a bit of text that may be contested

I have removed the text " (hence the file suffix '.sm') " because there is no proof that this is why .sm files have that extension.

It is vastly more likely, and logical, that .sm simply refers to Stepmania, just as .DWI did to Dance with Intensity, and how .bms was used for Betamnia Simulation. The term simfile has been used since the early stepmania and DWI days, and is used as a contraction for "simulator file". Like I said, I am just making everyone aware of why it was taken in case any given person would like to contest it, we can discuss it without an edit war.

Thanks, KurisuYamato (talk) 10:47, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

List of Stepmania based products page

Since its creation would be directly related to information from this page, would anyone agree with me that a page that lists products based off of Stepmania would be a good idea? KurisuYamato (talk) 05:11, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Stepmania Communities

The version as of 14:44, 30 June 2008 contains a section composed of a brief overview of each major Stepmania Community. This section was deemed unimportant to the article and removed from IP 24.47.41.87 on 23:19, 1 July 2008. The section read:

Communities

• Omg... Did Insane... is currently one of the largest websites for StepMania in terms of custom made files. The "Elite stepartists" frequent this site, and generally make fun of newer users due to lack of understanding of the game. The community has produced two large song packs geared more towards higher skilled players.

• Flash Flash Revolution is the biggest community for StepMania. It is much more new-user friendly.

• StepmaniaOnline is the smaller of the three communities listed. It is user friendly (for the most part). The community was very large up until the end of 2007, when one of the moderators deleted nearly every post. The moderator has since received a permanent IP ban and the forum has since gotten large again.

The latter two entries are now restored. I have many problems with this section. Under Stepmania Online it still reads as the smallest of three communities. The phrases "more user-friendly" and "Elite stepartists" are completely unacceptable. The mention of Omg... Did Insane... was removed by AeronPrometheus simply because he has "never ever heard of it". the exclusion of ODI is unfair and unbased. The wording in the description of the three communities is unacceptable and should be rewritten. Perhaps incorporating this section with the External Links is a good idea. --Kevingamer (talk) 06:01, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Then do it.

Seriously, standing in front of the open door and yelling for someone else to close it isn't helping. I left out Omg Insane because, yes, as a member of the community that was the only one I have never ever heard of. It may in fact be a very notable community, but all I did was make a drive by edit because I'm working on other things and didn't feel like sitting down and analyzing it. If it bothers you so much do the research yourself. If no one has improved this article by the time I finish overhauling the DDR articles I'll take a stab at it. No deadlines here, no rush to meet a quota. Try to have a nice evening. --AeronPrometheus (talk) 07:28, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm removing them per the Notability guidelines, they do not have any sources that claim notability to be given a mentioning in this article. ViperSnake151 12:47, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Can someone expand this article to talk about or link to how to setup dance pads to work with this game?

From what Ive read and researched there are few if any dance pads that will work with this game on a pc without having to configure it. There doesn't seem to be any magic plug and play usb pc dance pads that the game will automatically see. Obviously a dance pad is quite important to play this game, so can someone please write something about what people need to do to make the program recognize the dance pad? thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.108.114.107 (talk) 02:45, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

The makers of StepMania already wrote one at http://www.stepmania.com/wiki/Dance_Pads --w^{L<speak·check>} 08:06, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Mungyodance

I noticed that Mungyodance was removed from the "Use in products" section awhile ago (→Use in products: Vanity and highly unnotable). It seems that there was no discussion over whether the game should be included or not. Here is the deletion discussion for Mungyodance as a separate page. I think that it has enough citations and notability to warrant the brief paragraph under "Use in products", though probably not a full page. Does anyone object to re-adding the removed paragraph? Fraxtil (talk) 00:01, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Release date

I removed the 2005 release date in the information box. Stepmania is definitely much older than this - I didn't find a source for the version 1.0 release date, but the oldest release on their Sourceforge project page is 3.0, released in October 2002. The Sourceforge project itself was started a year earlier, in October 2001. Even this Wikipedia article is older than the 2005 date, being created in January 2004. 59.108.42.46 (talk) 06:37, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Did some more research: the oldest messages on their developer mailing list were from January 2002, but it seems that version 1.5 had already been released by then. So although I don't know the month, the original release must have been some time in 2001. I'll update the article to say that. 59.108.42.46 (talk) 06:41, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

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