Talk:Stepan Petrichenko

effect of Kronstadt on Lenin

"1. Their resolution was aimed at the very heart of the Bolsheviks, mainly its politics, which many consider to be a fatal blow to Lenin."

Given that Lenin won, the Soviet Union brushed it off, clearly the only people who would consider it a "fatal blow to Lenin" would be those who are totally unaware of 20th century history. NoJoyInMudville 05:06, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, considering Lenin croaked within a year of the rebellion, and seeing how mental and emotional strain were considered crucial factors in his series of strokes, some might take the view that Kronstadt delivered a blow that had its effect a while later. Of course, we'd have to research lenin's health in the time after Kronstadt to see if there's any merit in the idea. So, while the idea is somewhat bizarre, it's not, as you suggest, completely ignorant.

In any case, though, even if the bizarre idea has merit, it doesn't belong in this article.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4.237.244.154 (talk • contribs) 06:55, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Origin

Kronstadt rebellion says Ukrainian. This article says Russia, Hungary and Estonian. Where did he come from? --84.20.17.84 12:49, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

W. Bruce Lincoln (Red Victory, 1989 repr. 1999) says he was "[a] peasant from the Ukraine who had served in the Russian navy since 1921 1912 ..." (p. 498)

--Jtir 17:07, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

1921!? Check it again please.--84.20.17.84 08:35, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Oops. It is 1912. BTW, you can check the text online at Red Victory: A History of the Russian Civil War (Registration is required to see page images.) --Jtir 10:07, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

The article says 1913 and ru:Петриченко, Степан Максимович cites this page, which is forwarded to the home page of the site. --Jtir 19:04, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

I wonder how un-educated one has to be to translate "Крепостной" as "fortress-builder", it's not even about mastering Russian and English, it's about common sense. serfs, unfree peasant are the "fortress-builder". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Avgapon (talk • contribs) 00:13, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

GPU spy?

Here's what it says under Kronstadt Rebellion: "Among them was Petrichenko himself, who lived in Finland and worked as a spy for the Soviet GPU." Shouldn't this be mentioned in this article? Or is it not true? Wilson44691 (talk) 18:43, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Russian wikipedia article about him says that he worked for Soviet intelligence in Finland and was generally friendly to Bolsheviks in his overt political activities. So he is basically an example of exiles who have changed their mind and became friendly to Soviet government, and ironically in his specific case he did get his share of real Communism in the end. 76.119.30.87 (talk) 21:31, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Naissaar/Nargen

According to some sources, the republic was also called Free Island of Nargen, Вольный Остров Нарген, but it better be checked. Also, fixed the claim that the civilian workers were "indigenous" - in fact, indigenous (mostly Swedes) had been evacuated and workers for building the military projects brought in. That's why the new republic was (also) called Soviet Republic of Seamen and Construction Workers - obviously, a tiny island could not have supported an indigenous community of builders, actually they had been mostly fishermen. But there was no Soviet Republic of Seamen and Fishermen. --Idaeurooplane (talk) 13:18, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

Trotsky and Kronstadt

It is incorrect to say that Trotsky crushed the Kronstadt rebellion. He was in agreement that it was necessary to crush it, and took "political responsibility" for it due to his position as head of the red army but had no active participation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chilltherevolutionist (talk • contribs) 05:30, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

Tukhachevsky was tasked with the actual "crushing." However, Trotsky had issued an ultimatum demanding the mutineers surrender to the authority of the Soviet government, and gave the order for Tukhachevsky's assault. In addition, Paul Avrich claims (Kronstadt, 1921 pp. 211-212) that Trotsky and Sergey Kamenev planned to deploy toxic gas against the mutineers had the latter not been defeated in time. He did actively participate, he just wasn't personally leading the Red Army across the ice. --Ismail (talk) 01:09, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

It still says Trotsky specifically. Do either of you have a preference how it should be changed to? — Preceding unsigned comment added by W1tchkr4ft 00 (talk • contribs) 17:25, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Citations

Hi could someone, preferably who has some understanding of russian or a better understanding of the Kronsdadt Rebellion as well as WP policy look at the sources of this article outside of Averichs book? I checked one of them and it didn't seem to be at all saying what was claimed, unless I am grossly mistaken. SP00KYtalk 17:27, 10 May 2021 (UTC)