Talk:Steve Kirsch

Semi-protected edit request on 21 July 2022

At several points in this article Steve Kursch's comments about Covid-19 vaccines have misleadingly been labelled as 'misinformation'. These statements are not only inaccurate but also highly biased. Given that Wikipedia is supposed to be a neutral website, presenting neutral, factual information, I believe such statements have no place in this article and should be reworded to factually present Mr. Kirsch's words. KarrieDreammind (talk) 18:15, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:26, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

It's more complicated than "Neutral website". More at WP:NPOV/WP:NOTNEUTRAL, if you're interested. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:04, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

stating that Mr. Kirsch is spreading misinformation is misinformation. In the third sentence it says “Kirsch has been both a philanthropic supporter of medical research, and a promoter of misinformation about COVID-19 vaccines.” It should read “Kirsch has been both a philanthropic supporter of medical research, and has been alleged by those invested in covid-19 vaccines as a promoter of misinformation about COVID-19 vaccines.” 2603:6081:4040:80:5D09:ACFE:2C8:B767 (talk) 23:53, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

He’s on record saying false things about the Covid vaccine so it is not alleged; it is factual. 74.15.199.244 (talk) 22:56, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

stating that Mr. Kirsch is spreading misinformation is misinformation.

Sez you ... with no reference to any source. Do you really expect the article to be changed on the say-so an anonymous drive-by rando? 2600:8802:571B:E00:A43E:79C6:B4C3:B6BC (talk) 20:03, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

The sources are in the article, in the section "Vaccine misinformation". It's not really that difficult. --Hob Gadling (talk) 09:40, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not do WP:FALSEBALANCE. --Hob Gadling (talk) 09:40, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 February 2023

Change from: "Kirsch has been both a philanthropic supporter of medical research, and a promoter of misinformation about COVID-19 vaccines."

Change to: Kirsch has been both a philanthropic supporter of medical research, and provides information regarding COVID-19 vaccines.

Change From: Vaccine misinformation

Change to: Vaccine Investigations Rikaman (talk) 20:47, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: seems well sourced Cannolis (talk) 20:55, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

Disinformation

Any citation to demonstrate what you mean by "disinformation"? 2600:100F:A000:7C87:7F8F:BBC1:C90F:8E1D (talk) 15:52, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

Citations may be found in the article. Click on the little numbers. MrOllie (talk) 16:10, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

@MrOllie and now, how do you concider the concept of information in the light of latest data and, for example, after the OECD's official statistics? Kartasto (talk) 08:23, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

I don't know if this data is the latest, but at least it's recent:[1] (FactCheck.org). Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:09, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

Claims that the vaccines "kill twice as many as they save" or cause infertility remain debunked in the 'latest data'. MrOllie (talk) 12:14, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

Its a classic affirmation of "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics". scope_creep^Talk 10:06, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

Noting

"Steve Kirsch is an American entrepreneur who has been instrumental in the fight against the pandemic by being a major contributor to medical research." I don't think this is a WP:RS though. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:05, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

Afternoon @Gråbergs Gråa Sång: How are you? I wouldn't say so. It still has the "published by Sweb Pro" on the site landing page. It does't read as a real newspaper. Its curious why this is §on a Nigeria supposed e-newspaper. No name of the journalist either. It looks like a PR puff piece. scope_creep^Talk 15:05, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

Being instrumental in the fight against the pandemic should have resulted in some wider coverage on that, right? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:19, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång: I missed this. I suspect so. He would have been internationally know for it, as many researchers have become and subsequently been written up on Wikipedia. scope_creep^Talk 10:04, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 March 2024

Could you please update the information on this page to reflect all the new info regarding the vaccines and how the suspicions of ineffectiveness and adverse events have turned out to be true in many cases and that the CDC has confirmed many of the things that Mr. Kirsch had suspected? Most recent info released in 2023/2024, studies and CDC admissions regarding the vaccine claims are now being exposed as lies/misinformation by the establishment, and appear to contradict the original narrative. 208.121.64.10 (talk) 22:09, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Let's see the "CDC admissions" you speak of (meaning references from the CDC themselves or from a reliable third-party source). OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 22:11, 7 March 2024 (UTC)