Talk:Steve Smith (infielder)

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The result of the move request was: pages moved to Steve Smith (infielder) and Steve Smith (pitcher), respectively. For readers looking for either of these topics, this seems like the most effective disambiguation. Miniapolis 19:22, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

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• Steve Smith (baseball) → Steve Smith (baseball, born 1952)
• Steve Smith (baseball coach) → Steve Smith (baseball, born 1961)

– The articles as currently titled and hatnoted imply that the Steve of Steve Smith (baseball) is not a baseball coach when in fact he is. Both Steves had similar playing careers in that neither made the majors, but both are notable for their coaching careers. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 14:40, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

• Agree that these need better titles, but the (baseball, born XYZ) thing looks kind of ugly, would using the full first name together with the middle names be better

• Steve Smith (baseball) → Steven John Smith (baseball)
• Steve Smith (baseball coach)→ Stephen Carr Smith (baseball)

Given that there are three players with similar names maybe use the freed up Steve Smith (baseball) as a disambig.--KTo288 (talk) 23:23, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

• Support (baseball, born 1961) or (baseball, b. 1961) doesn't look ugly to me, we use it all the time. I think it's even listed as model on WP:DAB subpage somewhere? KTo288 as far as I know, and whether WP:DAB is clear or not, we don't have separate Steve Smith (baseball) sub-DABs, these always redirect to the main HNDAB Steve Smith (disambiguation). Ask User:Boleyn perhaps. In ictu oculi (talk) 23:38, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

• No, sub-dabs / incomplete dabs (see WP:INCOMPDAB) aren't recommended, although a redirect to Steve Smith dab, or a section of it, e.g. Steve Smith#Sports or Steve Smith#Baseball is really useful. The page title here may look ugly to you, but it's the standard naming convention. Middle names are discouraged unless they're commonly known as that, mainly because it makes them more difficult to find. The user would have to know the person's middle name in order to be able to find the article first time, and that's unlikely. I support the new titles suggested by Kuyabribi. Boleyn (talk) 05:09, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
• Just wanted to point out that according to the Steven Smith dab page there are currently articles on American football, association football (soccer), and cricket players titled "Steve/Stephen/Steven Smith (__ born 19xx)". That is why my proposal went with the "born" convention instead of something else like "professional baseball coach"/"college baseball coach". —KuyaBriBri^Talk 14:09, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

• Rename to KTo288's suggestions. That would solve the highly ambiguous "baseball" -- 65.94.79.6 (talk) 06:42, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

• Support Kuyabribri's suggestion. Using full names would make these articles too difficult to find for most as neither goes by "Stephen" and most would not know either's middle name. Mizzou415 (talk) 16:54, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
• Support Steve Smith (infielder) and Steve Smith (pitcher), respectively. I'm not against birth years for disambiguation, but they're usually not recommended for a reason—they're less likely to be useful to readers in distinguishing between subjects. --BDD (talk) 22:00, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
• Support per nom. BDD's proposal would be ok too. Oppose KTo288's proposal; unless the middle name (or initial) is part of the WP:COMMONNAME, we try to avoid them, as the they are not commonly known, and thus less likely to bring any clarity to viewers who search for either guy. HandsomeFella (talk) 11:27, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

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