Talk:Stiff Upper Lip (album)

Objectivity

Saying that the album is 'a very tight affair' is unobjective and the entire paragraph must be fixed so that it reads like an encyclopedia.

Moving this page

I think we should consider moving this page to stiff_upper_lip_(album) in order to keep it consistent with wikipedia practise. I am loathe to do this without prior discussion, so hope to get some feedback on this.

I think it's wrong that the main stiff_upper_lip page should point to the article about the album, because it is primarily an expression about fortitude (after which the album is named). I have just created a Stiff upper lip page, with a stub article. This page should really point to that, in my opinion. I have also created a Stiff_upper_lip_(disambiguation) page.

What are your thoughts? Amelia Hunt 23:15, Dec 18, 2004 (UTC)

double cd version

I remember listening to a double CD version of this album. It included one new track, "cyberspace" and five other tracks which were live recordings from madrid.

wasnt it remastered in 2005??

in the UK only.

song article

i recreated the Stiff Upper Lip song article, and left the other songs redirected. "Stiff Upper Lip" should have its own article, because it was released as a single. --Ac-dcfreak785 23:51, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Is anyone else disappointed about the Live version?

I would have loved to see the actual Stiff Upper Lip CD songs. Classics like:

• Hold Me Back
• Safe in New York City
• Can't Stand Still
• Satellite Blues

Alas, I will never have the satisfaction of a live version of these songs

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Most recent album, yeah we know

Seriously, basic knowledge of numeracy or arithmitic will reveal this fact. It seems a bit redundant to state it in the articke. Also, I've never seen another album article with this written on it...JackorKnave (talk) 18:52, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

tour edition

the australian tour edition is NOT a live album. it is a compilation of the studio tracks, 5 live tracks, and the music videos. Doctoracdc72 (talk) 16:03, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Photo

Please, put the image of the cover, thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.165.78.13 (talk) 17:44, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page moved. No primary topic per discussion. Vegaswikian (talk) 00:56, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

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Stiff Upper Lip → Stiff Upper Lip (album) – There are 2 articles with the same name here so this one should become Stiff Upper Lip (Album). The 2 can easily be mixed up as is and this article title should specify it is an album so that it is not mixed up with Stiff upper lip (the idiom). Thanks Jenova20 16:39, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Disagree I'm against the move:

1. If a move were made it would be to Stiff Upper Lip (album) or Stiff Upper Lip (AC/DC album) – if other articles exist for albums of the same name – but not to Stiff Upper Lip (Album). This is a naming convention issue.
2. Of existing articles we have Stiff Upper Lip (song): the title song from this album; Stiff Upper Lip (Gershwin song): a 1937 song; and the phrase Stiff upper lip. The idiom is in lower case which, I believe, is sufficiently different for most users. There is no further need to differentiate between the AC/DC album and other uses.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 20:05, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Changed it for you. One in upper case and one in lower case is not sufficient for the exact same name. If U.S.A was an album title it would end with the appropriate differential in brackets to distinguish it from the article on the country, this should follow the same convention. Jenova20 20:13, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Disagree Both the most likely search terms (all lower case and all upper case) already direct to the idiom, and very few people are likely to search for the idiom while incorrectly capitalising each word. The hatnote at this article suffices for redirecting the small number of people who end up here by mistake, and it might teach them how to capitalise. Bretonbanquet (talk) 20:25, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

A search for "stiff upper lip" throws up "Stiff Upper Lip", "Stiff upper lip" and "Stiff Upper Lips" as the first three options; a disambiguator or two (album, idiom, film) would only be a help. Or are you suggesting that if people don't already know exactly where the article they want is located, it's their own damn silly fault if they get the wrong page? Moonraker12 (talk) 20:36, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Anyone who searches that way gets the first line of each article - what more could anyone realistically need? A search using the search box at the left of every page will take you to the idiom unless you capitalise each word. I'm all for helping people find articles, but moving this page will not make it easier, (i.e. fewer clicks) to find the article they want. Bretonbanquet (talk) 23:13, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

• (ec)Support:Stiff upper lip, the idiom, is primary to the disambiguation page; I can't see that a minor change of capitalization is sufficient to distinguish the album here from the main topic there. Moonraker12 (talk) 20:27, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Also, WP:TITLE is clear that where distinct titles only differ in detail (such as capitalization) then further disambiguation techniques should be used. (see here). Moonraker12 (talk) 20:41, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

It says, "use appropriate disambiguation techniques, such as hatnotes or disambiguation pages" both of which we already have in this case. It doesn't talk about renaming. Bretonbanquet (talk) 20:48, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Your reading of WP:PRECISION is incorrect. It clearly gives Red meat and Red Meat as an example of when capitalisation is enough to disambiguate. It is an editorial decision; sometimes capitalisation is enough and sometimes it isn't – there's no hard-and-fast rule. Jenks24 (talk) 06:14, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

• Comment. If moved it should only be to Stiff Upper Lip (album) because there are no other albums of this title. Jenks24 (talk) 06:14, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
  • Good point, copyright will mean that another of the same name couldn't exist so i've changed it to just "album". Jenova20 10:00, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
    • Not true - you can have any number of albums with the same name. Bretonbanquet (talk) 23:15, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
• Support we have a disambiguation page listing many uses of the capitalized form Stiff upper lip (disambiguation) . 65.92.181.184 (talk) 22:52, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
• Support - common sense approach as this current layout is not good enough, is confusing, and does not follow the naming convention. Jenova20 15:59, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

You've already supported it as the nominator. Bretonbanquet (talk) 21:44, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

So i can't comment or give another opinion after reading other people's? Thanks Jenova20 09:08, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Of course you can, but as nominator, you're already counted as a supporter. It doesn't look like this is going anywhere anyway. Bretonbanquet (talk) 19:07, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

How so? More "supports" than "opposes", and policy backs simplifying the names so that people don't go to the wrong articles.

Current system is confusing. Jenova20 22:51, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

It's 3:2, which doesn't constitute a consensus for a page move. I honestly don't think it's confusing at all, and I think going to the wrong page is actually pretty difficult. You have to, for some bizarre reason, capitalise all three words in the idiom to arrive at the page for the album. Idioms such as this one are never capitalised - why would anyone do it? Bretonbanquet (talk) 23:08, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

As for policy, these articles already follow the guidelines in their use of hatnotes and dab pages. The relevant section is this: "Titles of distinct articles may differ only in their detail. Many such differences involve capitalization, separation or non-separation of components, or pluralization: MAVEN and Maven; Red Meat and Red meat; Sea-Monkeys and SeaMonkey. While each name in such a pair may already be precise and apt, a reader who enters one term might in fact be looking for the other; so use appropriate disambiguation techniques, such as hatnotes or disambiguation pages, to help readers find the article they want." Bretonbanquet (talk) 23:29, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

"a reader who enters one term might in fact be looking for the other; so use appropriate disambiguation techniques, such as hatnotes or disambiguation pages, to help readers find the article they want" - I don't believe the current capitalisation satisfies this. Jenova20 23:42, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Well we have very clear hatnotes on both pages, and a disambiguation page, so yes, we're absolutely satisfying it already. It clearly uses an example of Red meat and Red Meat being acceptably disambiguated already. Bretonbanquet (talk) 23:47, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

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Not the first 21st century AC/DC album

The genius who wrote that Stiff Upper Lip is the first AC/DC album of the 21st century should take note of the fact that the 21st century didn't actually begin until January 1, 2001. Sd31263 (talk) 07:45, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Remastered when?

Is there evidence for the quoted release dates of the remastered edition (2007 US, 2005 UK)? My copy says 2004 and so does Discogs: http://www.discogs.com/ACDC-Stiff-Upper-Lip/release/2338332 -- T71024 (talk) 02:34, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

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