Talk:Sting (wrestler)/Archive 1

Archive 1

similarity to the crow

Why does sting look a lot like the crow? Did he just rip off the character? Do a google search and you'll see what i mean. Did he look like that before the movie was realeased? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.18.58.218 (talk) 21:47, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

The Brandon Lee movie came out before Sting adopted the look. Insley (talk) 03:42, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

He adapted part of the character as a gimmick. Think it was Nash's idea back in WCW for Sting to do it, so WCW creative chose to use some of the ideas.--WillC 03:50, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Title names

To the IP, stop changing the title names in the lead. You are changing them to WRONG names. There is no "NWA Championship", it's the "NWA World Heavyweight Championship". The same goes with the other titles. The idea is to be factually correct, which you are no doing. If you think you have a valid reason for using wrong names, please state them here instead of reverting. TJ Spyke 23:01, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

To the IP, stop accusing me of vandalism when you are the one vandalizing the page. Changing your IP doesn't hide that you are the same one. Stop it or this page will be protected from IP editing. TJ Spyke 17:20, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Not 13 time World Champion

Sting's WCW International heavyweight championship does not count towards his world title count because it never was a world title. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.93.167.109 (talk) 02:45, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Proof? Was called a world championship and defended world wide.--WillC 03:12, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Godfather of the Main Event Mafia

On Kurt Angle's page, he has 'Godfather of the Main Event Mafia' listed under his nicknames. Sting won the title of godfather from Angle at Sacrifice this year and was refered as being the godfather by others. How is this different from Angle? Either add the name to Sting's list or remove it from Angles if it's a title. 83.183.143.126 (talk) 22:30, 14 September 2009 (UTC) Padrino

Angle was called the Godfather every week for about 6 months, Sting was only called it when he once (when he beat Angle to win the leadership of the MEM). Sting would have needed to be called it multiple times to be considered a nickname. TJ Spyke 22:43, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Number of World Titles

Didn't Tenay call Sting a Twelve-time World Champion a few months back? Seeker of the Torch (talk) 08:50, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia is well known for including "world title" that are not recognized by anyone bar the promotion they are defended in, such as the WWA title, or the PWG title. Almost all wrestling promotions, regardless or size or location, claim to have a "world title" - wikipedia gives the same credit to, say, the CZW world title, that they do to with WWE title. It's a system that could be resolved by simply going along with Pro Wrestling Illustrated (PWI) - one of, if not the most respected wrestling publication, who have a recognition system of world titles and gives "world title status" to different world titles depending on what level the promotion has reached. But so far, wikipedia has ignored these requests. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.151.206.27 (talk) 09:55, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, because it is a publication, not fact. It is the magazines view of things. Not fact.--WillC 11:28, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

It's a highly respect "opinion" within the industry. What more is needed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.242.197.129 (talk) 15:25, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

There's no promotion, publication, or governing body that dictates which title reigns should be considered legitimate. If Sting won a title branded by a promotion as their "world championship", it will be included in this article. 90.201.91.232 (talk) 11:16, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

WWE

Will has Steve Borden signed with the World Wrestling Entertainment? That will be on everyone's minds after World Wrestling Entertainment aired a promo during Monday Night RAW on 1/31/2011 that was very similar to a promo Steve did for WCW in 1997. Keep in mind the World Wrestling Entertainment has been trying to sign Steve sinse the company is in Atlanta, Georgia this year for the Hall Of Fame/WCW this year for World Wrestling Entertainment (WWE). Until then the WWE Universe will have to wait 2-21-11. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.128.172.55 (talk) 04:38, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

I love it that Sting hasnt been confirmed to have signed with the WWE and yet his page said it has been confirmed. Sting is currentl a free agent and WWE Reports linking him to the WWE are SPECULATION. 91.105.3.38 (talk) 19:27, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

That's Wikipedia for you, what do you expect? Spartan198 (talk) 09:37, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Don't have 100% proof of this because I cannot pause the vingettes at the right time. Currently on WWE the 2.21.11 vingettes have been airing. Watch the first and seconds one very carefully. The first one is of Undertaker peeking out of the window from behind a shade just to the left of the door. It opens to reveal someone wearing pants and boots and not the current Undertaker attire he last wore. The second video is more revealing. Undertaker is clearly seen inside the cabin looking out the window, and then outside the cabin is yet another figure also wearing a trenchcoat. The new figure is wearing what appears to be Undertaker's current attire, the one piece singlet yet look very closely at the window when you see this figure and you will clearly see Undertaker still looking out the window. Could this be a teaser for Sting versus Undertaker? There is no proof but how would you get Sting to sign to a WWE contract when he hates the WWE? Offer him something that would make him bigger than when WWE poked fun at WCW stars, in example the Rock to Booker T, "Who are you?" Offer him to break the streak. This is all an opinion but watch the second vingette if you can and you'll clearly see 2 figures wearing trenchcoats. Charles-Joseph (talk) 06:30, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

That is Original Research and this is not a forum.--WillC 08:41, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

So? This is the discussion tab. Jeremy (talk) 23:17, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Suggestion!

OK. I just noticed the 21 February tease on Raw, and I think Sting should get his article protected until February 22 at least, until anything is concrete. That way, random users won't go posting spoilers and stuff.50.16.114.237 (talk) 05:14, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

I want to add to this because an edit was made that said Sting was bringing in Chris Benoit and another person to WWE and as we all know Chris Benoit killed himself, as well as his wife and child some years back. So I'm all in favor of a lockdown on this entry. DaMoNZL (talk) 06:14, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

A protection for the article sounds good to me. Sting's page was being edited all night during Raw after that first teaser. My first thought after the promo was Awesome Kong. But it could be anyone really, we don't know yet. Usually there's some word on the dirtsheets if someone is signed or close to signing before we see any vignettes on WWE TV, and I haven't seen much of anything about Sting yet. InFlamester20 (talk) 20:16, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Yeah because some unknown DIVA, not even a male wrestler, would get this kind of hype. It's Sting: we must now unprotect and add the relevant information. 212.139.55.189 (talk) 02:55, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

If Sting goes to WWE it will be the biggest coup in wrestling history as he himself stated some time ago that he'd never work for Vince.   ArcAngel   (talk) ) 02:58, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

The man they call Sting has been removed from TNA's current roster —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.185.115.230 (talk) 04:19, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

arguably??!

last sentence, opening paragraph, he is arguably the most well-known professional wrestler to have never performed for World Wrestling Entertainment. where does the word arguably come in to play. this is basically a fact. yes, some other well known wrestlers may not have performed in a wwe ring, but have worked for wwe. whether this be behind the scenes, an agent, legends contract. even most of the young guys that are well known in tna have worked for wwe in developmental territories or jobbers. but sting is definitely the most well known to never have worked for them. now my next statement holds irrelevance, i know, and my next statement will make this whole arguably section irrelevant, because it will hold no ground when sting finally appears on a live wwe broadcast in the next month or so. but forgetting that and throwing that out, how in present time is it arguable that sting is not the most well known to have never worked for wwe? 68.34.175.125 (talk) 18:35, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Because Sting isn't the only well-known wrestler to have never worked for WWE. AJ Styles, Samoa Joe, Christopher Daniels, or any number of well-known Mexican or Japanese wrestlers could also lay claim to that title. Look, I'm not saying I disagree with you (in fact, I do agree with you), but the idea that he is factually the most well-known wrestler to have never worked for WWE is against Wikipedia's NPOV policy. Spartan198 (talk) 09:37, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

AJ Styles and Samoa Joe worked for WWE but only in a match or two on Jakked or Metal I believe. TheGary (talk) 23:50, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Lou Thesz, Giant Baba, Mitsuharu Misawa, and Georg Hackenschmidt are all far more famous than Sting ever was, and none of them ever worked for WWWF / WWF / WWE. 12.198.205.9 (talk) 19:59, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Uh, the only name I recognise in that sentence is Sting 81.107.133.187 (talk) 10:31, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Wrestling did exist before 1985, you know... Thesz was an 18-time world champion, who actually wrestled his final match at the age of 74; Baba was the co-founder of All Japan Pro Wrestling, and at 6'10" was the Japanese equivalent to Hulk Hogan; Misawa succeeded Baba as president of All Japan, and went on to found NOAH. He died in 2009 from a neck injury caused by a botched German suplex. As for Georg Hackenschmidt, he was only the first-ever Unified World Heavyweight Wrestling Champion; the NWA title traces its lineage back to Georg Hackenschmidt. (All information sourced from Wikipedia articles on the respective wrestlers) Insley (talk) 03:40, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Google searches for the first four names (in quotations) listed by 12.198.205.9 all return results of six figures. A search for pages that contain both specific terms of "Sting" and "wrestling" returns over 10 million results. 90.201.91.232 (talk) 11:16, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Edit request from 85.101.254.72, 8 February 2011

{{edit semi-protected}}

85.101.254.72 (talk) 20:35, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Please clarify what you want added to the article.   ArcAngel   (talk) ) 20:37, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Not the only one

Article states Sting is "currently the only man to hold the NWA, WCW, and TNA World Titles in his career." This may not be true, depending on one's interpretation of the facts. When TNA was founded, their title was the NWA Title. They returned the title to NWA in May 2007, and the TNA Championship was created at that time.

Jeff Jarrett is a six-time NWA Champion, and a four-time WCW Champion. However, since all six of Jarrett's NWA reigns came while the belt was under the exclusive control of TNA Wrestling (and was for all intents and purposes the TNA Championship), it can be argued that this also makes him a six-time TNA Champion. (The counterpoint is that he has not, however, held the title since the NWA belt was returned to the NWA in May 2007.)

Discussion?

Insley (talk) 03:56, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

This situation has been discussed many times. TNA have tried to re-write history since May 2007. At first they recognized the title as a completely new title and still do to an extent, however they've been idiotic and tried to include the NWA Title reigns. We report the facts on here through sources. What we've established is to go by what actually has occurred. So, Jarrett is not a TNA champion, he is an NWA Champion in TNA. The first TNA Champion was Kurt Angle and last NWA Champion in TNA was Christian Cage. Sting at this point is the only one to have held the WCW, NWA, and TNA titles. Angle and Jarrett are the only wrestlers at this time who could one day share this accomplishment with Sting, as Angle needs the NWA Title and Jarrett needs the TNA.--WillC 04:47, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

15 time World champion - isn't this just degrading wikipedia?

No organization nor publication recognizes small-time promotions like the WWA essentially was as having "world titles" - TNA never refer to Sting as a 15 time champion. If we can't practise some common sense, shouldn't we simply list the individual championships (WCW title, NWA title etc.) rather than combining everything together as "world titles" ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.13.205.214 (talk) 16:53, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

The WWA title was very much a world title, since it was defended overseas. Wikipedia will indeed combine everything as world titles, then users like you can determine which of those you deem credible enough. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.219.215.235 (talk) 14:08, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

There's no promotion, publication, or governing body that dictates which title reigns should be considered legitimate. If Sting won a title branded by a promotion as their "world championship", it will be included in this article. 90.201.91.232 (talk) 11:16, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

I can't see Sting's article

Can any wikipedia admin help me know what's going on with Sting's article because the entire page went just blank today. There's no way that there's something wrong with my computer that I cannot see the article, so I'm now confused about what had just happened to it. Kyrios320 (talk) 09:28, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 April 2014

He has signed a contract with WWE effective 4/11/2014 and it needs to go in

Trevor Phillips (talk) 18:27, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to any article. - Arjayay (talk) 19:53, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

This is why we shouldn't let 5 year olds play GTA.

2.28.96.63 (talk) 16:50, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

WWE

Sting has NOT signed with WWE. Until WWE or STING announces it it is Speculation/Rumor. Please do not add speculation saying he is now working for the WWE. He simply appeared in a tribute interview talking about the death of his best friend. That is not working for them. Plus why wouldnt he do that and it is only speculation from that point on. Since he isnt under TNA contract he can freely appear and since WWE owns his stuff they can make a DVD, even without permission if they wanted to.

This page just has Speculation written all over it. So until a source that actually know's whats up.... WWE or STING. Dont add rumors to this page. BlackDragon 15:36, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

• There's been an edit war today about this issue. Right now the introduction contradicts itself, saying both that he's under contract with WWE and has not signed with WWE. Have we got a source that clearly says he has signed with WWE? Is his appearance in WWE merchandise enough to draw the conclusion? —C.Fred (talk) 21:10, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

To the best of my knowledge we do not have a source that says he is signed to WWE. In the past wrestlers on bad terms with WWE have still appeared in their merchandise by signing with the company making the merchandise rather than with WWE themselves (Bruno Sammartino and The Ultimate Warrior had deals with Jakks Pacific to make action figures a few years back). It's likely that Sting has signed with the company but until a source confirms we shouldn't be jumping the gun.LM2000 (talk) 23:25, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

As for as I can tell, it says nowhere that he is signed to WWE in the article. STATic message me! 23:44, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Entrance themes

why is HHH Pedrigree takeing the Entrance themes he says they are unsourced, well everybody is unsourced, the themes need to be on there so people know, its part of his history — Preceding unsigned comment added by Salineb (talk • contribs) 14:33, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

WWE

Is sting actually signed to a WWE contract? Insane2anonymous35 (talk) 14:58, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 October 2014

This is sting (talk) 16:30, 30 October 2014 (UTC) i would like to say that the WWE rumors surrounding sting are indeed true and that close source information regarding sting is that he is signed to wwe and he does have a merchandise deal with the company mentioned, he does have a deal to wrestle. about November or early January you can guarantee that he will appear on monday night raw at some point during November or January at the latest.

Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 16:38, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Entrance music

Shouldn't his new WWE music be added to the list? 97.96.33.181 (talk) 00:17, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Yes, but only after we can verify its authenticity.LM2000 (talk) 00:20, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 December 2014

sting is best known for his time in total nonstop action wrestling (TNA) not WCW as he was in TNA longer than WCW 86.161.14.83 (talk) 18:57, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

 Not done He was in TNA for 11 years and he was in WCW for 14. WCW also gave him more exposure than TNA did and WWE, with its vast audience, only recognizes his time in WCW.LM2000 (talk) 19:16, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Why isn't Bleacher Report a useful source

Bleacher Report clearly reported that Sting didn't sign with WWE.[1] Why isn't this source admissible? —C.Fred (talk) 18:56, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Issue resolved. Phieuxghazzieh (talk) 18:56, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

So you agree the source is admissible? —C.Fred (talk) 18:57, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Unreliable source per WP:PW/RS. If it's true then I'm sure there will be other sources. Phieuxghazzieh (talk) 18:59, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for pointing out that it's a project-level decision to not admit the source. That's what I was asking about. —C.Fred (talk) 19:07, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 March 2015

" "heayvweight" = "heavyweight"

66.74.176.59 (talk) 17:18, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

 Done Thanks for pointing that out - Arjayay (talk) 17:50, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Scorpion death drop

Ok I just uploaded a photo of Sting performing the scorpion death drop on Triple H and placed it on Sting's article.But every time I've done that some user has removed it this is a valuable image of him performing his Finsher more so then him breaking a sledgehammer with a bat this need too be on this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edge4life42 (talk • contribs) 21:52, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

You're skipping over a few things. You first inserted it into "Legacy", where it has no relevance; a photo of a wrestling move doesn't belong in a section about Sting's impact on the business. You then placed it in the "In wrestling" section, which is already (over)crowded with images, meaning that your addition encroached (needlessly, in my view) on the "Championships and accomplishments" section, making for a real eyesore. After that, you gutted an image, with no discussion, in order to accommodate the deathdrop photo. Maybe we'll get somewhere now. Phieuxghazzieh (talk) 22:20, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Ok so where would you place this photo if it's not apart of his legacy a move he's been using for over 20 years then why not in the "in wrestling" like I said means more then him breaking a sledgehammer with his bat. Edge4life42

Realistically it does make more sense to have a picture of the death drop in his "In wrestling" section, however I think the picture of the death drop in question is unflattering so I'd prefer that we keep the picture of the bat instead.LM2000 (talk) 23:22, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

There's that, too. The image doesn't even look like Sting, who was always known for his, well, hair. I'd also argue that the bat is more legendary/iconic/whatever, since it's exclusive to Sting, whereas a reverse DDT isn't. Phieuxghazzieh (talk) 08:28, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

The photo isn't suppose to convey beauty it's meant too depict his Finsher move also his bat was a more recent addition compared too the scorpion death drop which as I stated been in usage for over 20 years making it legendary. Edge4life42

Actually, the death drop and bat both came with the Crow incarnation. Phieuxghazzieh (talk) 18:02, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Image problem

Could someone please crop the WM31 image within the "WWE (2014–present)" section? I don't know how to replace the existing image file, but I do know that it's needlessly large. Cheers. Phieuxghazzieh (talk) 22:27, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

Is the version I just uploaded any better?LM2000 (talk) 05:34, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

Much better. Cheers! Phieuxghazzieh (talk) 10:50, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

WCW International Title

To put this to bed, here is Ric Flair's WWE recognized title history.

They credit him with 14 WCW World titles (obviously considering his NWA World Titles as WCW tites), 2 WWE Titles, and 2 WCW International titles.

They recognize him as 16-time World Champion - do the math 14 + 2 + 2 = 18...guess what 2 titles are left out in the cold (hint - it ain't his 2 WWE Titles).

WWE owns the rights to the WCW International title, so if they say it isn't a World title, then their word is law, since it's their title.

Vjmlhds (talk) 14:10, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Far from in bed yet, sir. Nowhere in that link does WWE unequivocally state, "The WCW International World Heavyweight Championship is not a world championship." You're simply reducing Sting's world title count based on a WP:OR interpretation. And even if you do find a WWE link saying the belt isn't a world title, that's retconning, which has absolutely no place in an accurate account of wrestling history. This is an encyclopaedia, not a WWE book. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DoubleYouSeaDoubleYou (talk • contribs) 15:31, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Missing a very important point - WWE OWNS THE TITLE - they can classify it however they want. If they so it's not a World title, it isn't a World title. No WP:OR here - WWE lays everything out in their article. Bottom line - he who owns the toys can call them whatever he wants to. Vjmlhds (talk) 17:26, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

WWE isn't calling the title anything - YOU'RE saying it's not a world belt by introducing your own opinion on the article. Even if WWE does say this, it's retconning. Same BS that's been going on with the ECW title article for years. I can only assume you're trolling. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DoubleYouSeaDoubleYou (talk • contribs) 18:53, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

As the project discussed previously, nobody decided what a World Championship is. Not PWI nor WWE. The fact is Sting won a title named International World Heavyweight Championship, so he won a World Champion. In fact, WWE doesn't include his TNA reigns. Sting is a 15 times World champion (WCW+International+NWA+TNA+WWA). I'm sure according to TNA, he is 14 or maybe 12. According to WWE, he is 7 or 8 times. Anyway, WWE isn't a goberment body and the fact is Sting won 15 World Championships.--HHH Pedrigree (talk) 18:56, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

I agree with Vjmlhds that it's not a world championship because WWE doesn't consider it one but I ultimately agree with HHH Pedrigree's edit which completely omits the tally of the championships he won. We already state which championships he won earlier in the lede, reiterating it is superfluous. LM2000 (talk) 19:29, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

WWA isnt a world title, but the WCW International is.

WCW counted it as such. Sting is a 14 Time world Champion 99.195.110.218 (talk) 22:35, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu0fzf9sqa0

Right Here. 2:10 or so in WCW announcers officially call it the "World Heavyweight Championship" Thats all the proof you need. It was WCWs belt aftera all 99.195.110.218 (talk) 22:49, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

Actually, both are. The titles were described by their respective companies as "world" belts, and defended internationally. I agree about the WCW International title, though: WWE coming along years later and retconning the belt as just a regular strap (which no one has provided proof of, by the way) doesn't mean dick. Literally the most stupid discussion on this page, and one that's already been done to death with the ECW title. DoubleYouSeaDoubleYou (talk) 07:39, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 September 2015

Borden appeared in Bay Area thrash band Laaz Rockit's music video for their song "Fire in the Hole" (1989) Wrathchildjoe (talk) 03:47, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 06:18, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 September 2015

Please add "The Vigilante", "The Franchise" and "The Icon" to the "Ring name(s), because I watch this show every week and these names are being used weekly and in my opinion need to be added to the list. Thank you. Songster1337 (talk) 17:06, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. JustBerry (talk) 23:50, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 September 2015

Does the word "molesting" need to be used in the section about his WWE career? It's a strong word to use, and not one that I feel belongs in this article. 37.18.139.105 (talk) 13:34, 8 September 2015 (UTC) JF

Can someone please sort out the lede?

Sting patently did not headline Starrcade 1995 (the main event was Flair vs. Savage for the world title), and merely participating in the Battlebowl 1992 battle royal is not notable; only the 1991 edition deserves mentioning since Sting won it. Thanks. 82.132.245.195 (talk) 16:47, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 January 2016

sting is the first inductie into the WWE hall of fame he confirmed it via twitter

Thehitman1994-2015 (talk) 00:13, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

 Not donealready stated. LM2000 (talk) 00:17, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

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Vince's inferiority complex (Scott Hall quote regarding WM31)

An edit that added this content was reverted:

Despite Sting having cut a promo on Raw saying the match would not be about the war between the companies "because that would be ridiculous at this point", the match finish has been interpreted as a desire of McMahon to reiterate his victory in the Monday Night Wars, with Scott Hall commenting "That’s Vince just reminding you who won, even if he’s going to make money the other way.”

• http://www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/2015/0323/591659/wwe-monday-night-raw-results/
• http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/662633-scott-hall-talks-roman-reigns-as-wwe-champion-never-winning-a-wcwwwe-world-title-himself-sting-not-being-comfortable-in-wwe
• http://www.pwtorch.com/site/2016/01/14/report-why-sting-lost-wwe-debut-match-as-told-by-scott-hall/

This is a direct quote from someone involved in the match. Yes, it is Scott Hall's interpretation, but he was there in the match itself and the planning of the match. Hall's point of view matters. Is there a valid reason why this should not be included? Ozdarka (talk) 10:05, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

As I was the one who did the revert and you seem to be taking this personal I will respond to this too.Scott was involved in match but he was not involved with Sting's contract.I was at wrestlemania too and spoke with several people there so by your logic I'm a viable source.Just because "Bob" says something doesn't make it fact.You added it as a Sting fact,its a Scott Hall fact.Others involved in the match don't share Scott Hall's feelings,so they are his feelings and not fact.There is no proof they just wanted to bury Sting.Which was the point of your edit. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" (talk) 18:07, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

You are under the impression that we never mention opinions. That is not correct. Wikipedia mentions opinions when they are sourced and notable, like in the reception section of film articles. Much of the Roman Reigns article also notes the opinions of different sources. Yes, it's Hall's opinion. And it is presented as his opinion in the edit, not as a fact. Hall's point of view is notable because he was involved in the match. I made no claim as to what WWE's intentions were, I just presented documented information. Ozdarka (talk) 01:48, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

You placed it under The Feud with the Authority.If it is that important to you,then please create a separate section for it much like you have here.It has no place being mixed in with a Storyline fued information.Furthermore If I were wrong in the removal of your edit others who contribute to this page more frequently would have reverted it back,clearly that was not the case as there were other edits and reverts made after the one in question.I stand by the decision I made and have nothing further to say on the matter as this is not a forum.

Chris "WarMachineWildThing" (talk) 02:20, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Clearly I was correct in the removal as it was removed again by another user. I suggest you stop adding it. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" (talk) 02:23, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

Actually it was removed for different reason, i.e. it uses blacklisted sources. For that reason it won't be added again. Ozdarka (talk) 07:41, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

Sock

FAO User talk:JamesBWatson: User talk:B. Mastino was blocked as a multi-account abuser; User:WarMachineWildThing is clearly another sock. WarMachine is also recently created, same wrestling fandom, same strong interest in The Undertaker and Sting articles, and just restored Mastino's material on Sting using an edit summary almost identical to the one previously used by Mastino two days earlier. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.54.163.237 (talk) 21:46, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

It is certainly true that there are similarities between editing from WarMachineWildThing and editing of the sockpuppeteer in question. However, I don't see sufficient evidence to conclude that WarMachineWildThing is another sockpuppet. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 07:42, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

As I was trying to respond to this the first time it was removed. Now that it hasvbeen added back I will respond. My account is no sock of the banner user, I have had edits reverted and removed by that user. I did not ADD back anything of the banned user I removed content that had been removed by the banned user again as it had Outlawed/Unreliable sources that were added back during the reverts. Not sure what i have done similar but my account is not a sock. Yes I have a new account I just created it in February as I am the webmaster for Del "The Patriot" Wilkes and people were posting the incorrect information on his Wikipedia page so I created the account to keep things correct on there.

Chris "WarMachineWildThing" (talk) 16:30, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

Mastino was a sock of The abominable Wiki troll, a sock I've reported before at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/The abominable Wiki troll/Archive. I reported my suspicions about Mastino to an WP:AN/I thread in February [2]. Anyway, having dealt with various incarnations of Abominable, I do not believe WarMachineWildThing has any connection to him.LM2000 (talk) 20:32, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

I appreciate that LM2000 thank you. Also thank you JamesBWatson for adding this back so that I was able to defend myself on this matter.

Chris "WarMachineWildThing" (talk) 21:00, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

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As I have suggested twice to an IP now.......

An IP says a portion of the article and a wiki link is poorly written and wants to change "His last ever bout, at Night of Champions in 2015, marked his sole pay-per-view main event and WWE World Heavyweight Championship contest (and title match) for the organization. Sting headlined the WWE Hall of Fame class of 2016 on April 2, where he announced his retirement."

To what they say is better "His last ever bout, at Night of Champions in 2015, marked his sole PPV main event and WWE World Heavyweight Championship contest (and title match) for the organization. Sting headlined the WWE Hall of Fame class of 2016 on April 2, where he announced his retirement."

I do not agree with removing Payperview and the wiki link and replacing it with just PPV, Opinions and thoughts???? Chris "WarMachineWildThing" ^{Talk to me} 02:34, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Would writing it as PPV but including the link to [[[List of WWE pay-per-view events]] work? PPV is established as an acronym earlier on in the paragraph, but the link seems too relevant to totally discard.LM2000 (talk) 02:46, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Agreeing with LM2000, the full term is already mentioned in the lead with the acronym given afterwards. It makes sense to use the acronym. However, the first time it is mentioned, it already links to Pay-per-view. I don't see the relevance in linking List of WWE pay-per-view events to this given term. Sekyaw (talk) 03:00, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

On second thought, maybe we could live without it.LM2000 (talk) 03:04, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

"I do not agree with removing Payperview and the wiki link and replacing it with just PPV"
So you'd rather ignore an already established acronym and go back to writing out "pay-per-view"? Awful, awful writing. 2A02:C7F:8E43:2F00:15AB:5B41:3E99:A41E (talk) 03:06, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

To the IP editor: You've been blocked for edit warring, and you're in violation and can be re-blocked for evading your previous block. However, I am not going to do this so long as you keep the discussion on this page only and remain civil and refrain from making personal attacks (as you did with your original discussion response here). Please keep the discussion towards the content at-hand, and work towards a consensus. Thank you. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 03:32, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

LM2000 Sekyaw that was pretty much my whole issue,PPV links already to just Payperview, there is no justification to remove the list except they want it gone even it's been there over a month with no one else wanting it removed, Hence this discussion. Since the IP refuses to discuss civil, then tries to hide and keeps jumping IPs so they can revert me without 3RR, which they have done and is trying to make more of this then it is now I guess I'll have to take them the other route While we all discuss civil. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" ^{Talk to me} 03:13, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

I don't see a reason to change it but If there is a consensus to change and remove, then I'll shut up about it, I have no problem with that. I just want civil discussion and a consensus of some kind so this isn't having to be revisited again later because someone readds it back. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" ^{Talk to me} 03:25, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

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