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MOS vandalism
editUser:Alex Mirabella is being unconstructive with this edit to the article's personnel section. He's removing internal links to the names and adding dubious content naming which track the performers are on. Please review Wikipedia:WikiProject_Albums/Article_body#Personnel, Alex. Dan56 (talk) 05:28, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
His latest edit seems to be introducing incorrect information, against what the sources say. Dan56 (talk) 05:57, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
- Dubious content not needed in the personnel section (see link as mentioned above), and you cannot change information without verifying it with reliable sources. Oz talk 06:29, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
- Hmm, I notice the personnel section says "Credits for Stone Rollin' adapted from Allmusic". I would caution against this for 2 reasons: (1) it's been my experience that there are often errors in allmusic's credit listings when you compare them against the actual physical liner notes, and (2) allmusic just lists roles, and doesn't mention which track those roles may refer to, whereas the physical liner notes may go into this detail. I highly recommend consulting an actual physical copy of the album and using it as the source for the personnel, using {{Cite album-notes}} for the citation. I imagine it likely that's where Alex Mirabella is getting the track-by-track credits from. The liner notes, as the primary source, are really the chief authority when it comes to credits. I've used liner notes to cite specific instrument/track credits on many occasions. I suggest asking Alex Mirabella if that's where he/she is getting these credits from, and if so, encouraging him/her to cite the liner notes as a reference for the changes. It may turn out that the "dubious" content isn't so dubious after all. --IllaZilla (talk) 07:47, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
- Hello, I am Alex Mirabella. I just wanted to say that the information that I posted about the personnel was exclusively from the actual physical liner notes that cam with the album. The actual liner notes do, in fact, state which tracks each artist appeared on. I did not in any way use Allmusic as a source of information. Now that I have cleared up this dilema, please consider allowing my edit to appear on the Stone Rollin' article page.
- Hmm, I notice the personnel section says "Credits for Stone Rollin' adapted from Allmusic". I would caution against this for 2 reasons: (1) it's been my experience that there are often errors in allmusic's credit listings when you compare them against the actual physical liner notes, and (2) allmusic just lists roles, and doesn't mention which track those roles may refer to, whereas the physical liner notes may go into this detail. I highly recommend consulting an actual physical copy of the album and using it as the source for the personnel, using {{Cite album-notes}} for the citation. I imagine it likely that's where Alex Mirabella is getting the track-by-track credits from. The liner notes, as the primary source, are really the chief authority when it comes to credits. I've used liner notes to cite specific instrument/track credits on many occasions. I suggest asking Alex Mirabella if that's where he/she is getting these credits from, and if so, encouraging him/her to cite the liner notes as a reference for the changes. It may turn out that the "dubious" content isn't so dubious after all. --IllaZilla (talk) 07:47, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
- One thing that Is also very confusing is that I made a similar edit on the articles concerning Left of Cool, Outbound, Little Worlds and The Hidden Land, yet those edits were not reverted. I do not, in any way, intend to be unconstructive or cause vandalism, if it appeared that way, it was not my intention. --Alex Mirabella (talk)
- I downloaded the iTunes LP thing for the album, and its credits seem to match up with Allmusic's credits. Dan56 (talk) 21:38, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
- I have just made an edit to the personnel section of this page and it is 100% accurate to the actual physical liner notes that came with the original CD release. The info that I recently posted is exclusively from the album's liner notes and no where else. You should believe me. I do not intend to spread vandalism of any sort. The iTunes LP might be the same as the AllMusic page but I got my information from the real liner notes that came with the CD release. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alex Mirabella (talk • contribs) 22:56, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
- I'm sorry. Of course I did not get to this point of discussion: is listing the track #s necessary, or undue? The section at WP:Albums guidelines models it the other way. Dan56 (talk) 23:12, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
My two cents I was asked by Dan56 to give my perspective--in cases where there are a variety of performers throughout an album and those vary widely from track-to-track, it is worthwhile to mention who played what on which. Several articles have passed GA and FA with this information, e.g. ETHWHT. If Alex's contributions are sourced (and I believe that they are), then they should stay--this information is useful to a reader. I will edit MOS:ALBUM now to point out this peculiarity. Thanks.
- I won't be watching this page, so unless someone needs me in particular, I'll be gone--I hope all's well. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 03:47, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
- As long as it's clarified at WP:Albums. I removed the "all tracks" note for Saadiq, as it's suggestive w/out it when all others are specified. Plus, he's likely to have vocals on every track on his own album. Dan56 (talk) 03:16, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
Taura Stinson’s vocals
editWhat kind of vocals did Taura Stinson do and why wasn’t she a featured artist?