Talk:Storm Gloria

Storm Gloria is not the same system as Jacob

As is written in the article, Jakob made landfall over the Pacific Northwest on 15 January. As you can see in the map of Glorias track (see description on commons), Gloria was already over the atlantic heading east on 15 January. Thus I propose splitting this article into two, one for Winter Storm Jakob and one for Storm Gloria. --IllCom (talk) 12:55, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

They are the same system. The track map was made for the 2019–20 European windstorm season article originally so only covers the period the system was named "Gloria", i.e. about 18 January onwards; it doesn't start from the 15th and therefore doesn't include Jacob's track across North America. Hopefully this is something that can be rectified (i.e. it can be extended backwards) but this is something I don't have knowledge of how to do myself. Buttons0603 (talk) 20:08, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

I still have doubts. For one, the description page on commons states the track map covers 15-20 January. Also, if you look at the animated satellite and radar pictures of Jacob's track on weather.com, you'll see that the storm is on the east coast of the USA on 18 January 07:00 CT (=01:00 UTC). If you have a look at this animation from AEMET, you can see it making a curve around Newfoundland and disappear on the top of the animation, while at the same time further east gloria is moving towards and then across Spain. And last but not least, I don't find the connection between the Gloria and Jacob being made anywhere else. Surely, if they were the same system, somebody would have written about it. --IllCom (talk) 20:50, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Some more Info about those low-pressure areas can be found here and I would like to direct your attention especially to this map of surface pressure on 17. September: You can clearly see the impressive system near Newfoundland, that might have something to do with Jacob and the distinct low-pressure area labeled "storm" in the center that has an arrow pointing to spain and which clearly is Gloria (here the same situation as a satellite picture, with gloria labeled as "cyclone #4"). More on those two systems in this article from 17 January. I am now convinced that Gloria and Jacob are not the same system and I ask you to provide some reference to your claim of them being the same system or to remove the claim from the article. --IllCom (talk) 22:33, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

Looking at this I think you may be right and Gloria actually developed from Winter Storm Isiaiah (aka January 2020 North American storm complex), not Jacob. The problem with unofficial/unregulated storm naming like The Weather Channel's is that it can be so confusing in situations where we have to determine continuity! I don't have time now but will add an under construction tag to the page and then rectify this as soon as I can tomorrow. Buttons0603 (talk) 00:14, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

The problem could be this backwards trajectory of the Gloria low is based on surface pressure analysis, wheres AEMET describe Gloria as developing on the 17 January as "a high-level vortex located in the North Atlantic, near Newfoundland in the early hours, which moved rapidly in the direction of Europe" - http://www.aemet.es/en/conocermas/borrascas/2019-2020/estudios_e_impactos/gloria I would certainly then be cautious if not downright suspicious of linking this to earlier developments over North America based on surface pressure charts alone.Lacunae (talk) 15:28, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

No Buttons, the onus is on you to provide documentary evidence for your changes.Lacunae (talk) 00:09, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Doubts as to Gloria being a European Windstorm

Gloria was clearly a named storm by a European national forecaster, though there are doubts as to whether this is a "classic" European windstorm event. It hasn't been listed or investigated by Perils.org and could be described as more of a Mediterranean/DANA/cold drop-gota fria/cut-off low event.Lacunae (talk) 14:56, 21 February 2020 (UTC)