Talk:Storm from the Shadows

Book is out now

Do I need to take a picture of myself holding it in front of a dated newspaper or something in order to prove it to you? ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 05:41, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

I believe you. It's just likely to be an illegal edition. Is not a matter of principe to me, so you may keep it this way. If it is illegal, we'll see info in the media. Debresser (talk) 13:02, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

I really doubt Barnes & Noble, Borders, Waldenbooks, and Amazon.com are all selling illegal editions. The books are available at all of those places. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 05:03, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Can't argue with that. Debresser (talk) 09:11, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Amazon has conflicting info: It's listing a publication date of March 3rd, but also has it listed as in stock and you can get it on March 3rd by choosing one day shipping in the next 44 hours and some odd minutes. Jon (talk) 02:48, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Yeah. I've had the book for a couple weeks now, and I got it from Amazon. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 19:21, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

It was impossible to purchase the published version of this book before March, unless you personally know David Weber or work for Baen I guess. I tried every possible avenue, Amazon, bookstores, Ebay, whatever. If people are claiming they got the published version (not the oopsie verison) of the book via legal means before March, they are lying because that is impossible. Simple fact. CampusLedger (talk) 05:36, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

No, and I don't appreciate being called a liar. Please keep your personal attacks to yourself. I received my copies (yes, multiple copies) from Amazon, and I saw them in bookstores as well. It's very common for an official publication date to be different than the actual date of release. As it is, it was released barely two weeks before the official publication date. Amazon and other regular bookstores don't sell the "oopsie" version everyone keeps referring to. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 19:25, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Nihonjoe, that wasn't a personal attack, I did not mention you by name or in any way refer to you specifically. If you wish to take offense from nothing that's your prerogative. If you are concerned about rules violations, perhaps you should read this article . I don't care either way. And I stand by my statement... it was impossible to purchase this book in its published form before March unless you got it direct from Baen via means known specifically to you, or via illegal means. It was not possible for persons without such methods to buy the book, believe me I tried. I even wrote a letter to Baen asking if it was possible to obtain the book before March. If you want a politically correct version of my past statement, you are mistaken if you think you bought this book or any final published version of it from Amazon general distribution or any other bookseller before March. CampusLedger (talk) 22:09, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

The ARC (Advanced Readers Copy) (not the "Oopsie") was available for purchase on the Baen website on 2 December 2008. 129.42.208.186 (talk) 21:54, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

CampusLedger wasn't referring to the ARC, though. He was (mistakenly) stating as fact (again, mistakenly) that it was impossible to legally purchase the book before March 2009. This was obviously not true as I purchased multiple legitimate copies from Amazon.com and I received them around the middle of February (as seen by my comments above). I also saw the book piled on shelves in the bookstores I mentioned above. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 00:17, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

just one main char?

I've read what is out from the external link, and there are a whole lot more POV chars than just one. While she did feature heavy during the early chapters, it's been several chapters since she's been referenced at all. (The most recent two chapters have been following Helen [who wasn't refered until then]). Jon (talk) 02:51, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

You should really wait till somebody updates this article, now that the book has been released. Surely all your questions will be answered then. (I have finished the book. I would agree that Henke is the main character of this book.) You might even consider to write it yourself. Why not? This is Wikipedia! Debresser (talk) 03:20, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Henke's definitely the main character so far in the book (I haven't read all of it yet, just to the part where she is getting ready to leave for the Talbott Cluster). ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 19:22, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes Henke is the main character, although like Shadow of Saganami there are several supporting characters of critical importance instead the shining star/troupe of sidekicks approach Weber takes in most of the "main-line" books like At All Costs. Personally, I think that the Saganami and Shadows way works better, although the main books are still fantastic. CampusLedger (talk) 05:43, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

New plot summary edit

Debresser, I have taken the liberty of extensively summarizing the plot of this book. I'm sure I've stepped all over Wikipedia rules regarding article editing, I don't know really. Thanks for pointing me in this direction, I didn't even know if there was an article on this book. I absolutely am open to anyone who wants to edit this for clarity or other reasons. I hope this is the beginning of a really beneficial Wiki experience for me. CampusLedger (talk) 05:32, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Welcome, and thank you very much for your edits. I'm happy you joined us. As you see I've only fixed the redlinks and bolds to point to the relevant articles and sections, since I know the Honorverse articles well. Debresser (talk) 09:57, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for doing that, I saw on your userpage that you consider yourself a wikignome, which I'm sure involves frequent cleaning up after newbies like myself. I hope to improve my editing skills to the point where that won't be necessary. Regards, CampusLedger (talk) 22:24, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Permanent Senior Undersecretary

In the article for Solarian_League#Government_and_politics, I would like to make a reference to the oligarcy of a handful of 'Permanent Senior Undersecretaries'.

Problem... I can't find where they are discussed in Weber's books.

I'm out of town now, and do not have my hard cover version (nor an electronic) version of "Storm from the Shadows".

Question... Does anybody out there know if the scene in question happened in Storm? If yes, please provide the details at Talk:Solarian_League#Permanent Senior Undersecretary.

Thanks, LP-mn (talk) 04:51, 28 December 2009 (UTC) .