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Requested move 10 September 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved. The consensus below is that this move is not supported by common name. (closed by non-admin page mover) SilverLocust 💬 19:15, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

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Storrs, Connecticut → Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut – According to the USPS ZIP Code Lookup tool, the recommended city names for 06268 and 06269 are "Storrs-Mansfield, CT" - "Storrs" is an accepted shorthand substitution, but should not represent the community on its own. Jonathanhusky (talk) 18:49, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose the village of Storrs is in the town of Mansfield. I think the ZIP codes probably cover a region different from the village itself, also covering parts that are outside of the village. That's what Google Maps suggests is what the ZIPs covers -- 67.70.25.175 (talk) 07:06, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

  What portions of the ZIP codes cover regions different from the "Village of Storrs?" Areas of Mansfield not covered by 06268 and 06269 are 06250 "Mansfield Center, CT" Jonathanhusky (talk) 15:12, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose move. The common name for this village is Storrs. O.N.R. ^(talk) 18:34, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
• Strong oppose I don't care what the "USPS ZIP Code Lookup tool" says. We have policies like WP:COMMONNAME which govern article titles for populated places. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 21:15, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose per above, Storrs remains a prominent stand-alone name and locale. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:40, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Storrs-Mansfield Discussion

In recent history, an editor or group of editors, editing on shared IP addresses registered to the University of Connecticut (UConn), started a campaign to edit Wikipedia references to this community from "Storrs, Connecticut" to "Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut".

The user(s) have provided a substantial number of citations to support the change. This is not considered disruptive on its own. The sources they've cited are broken down as follows:

Federal

• "ZIP Code Lookup Tool - 06268" (Often erroneously listed as "Storrs", the correct name of this community is "Storrs-Mansfield".). United States Postal Service. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: United States Postal Service. p. ZIP Codes 06268 and 06269. YOU ENTERED: 06268 - RECOMMENDED CITY NAME: STORRS MANSFIELD CT
• "ZIP Code Lookup Tool - 06269". United States Postal Service. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: United States Postal Service. p. ZIP Code 06269. YOU ENTERED: 06269 - RECOMMENDED CITY NAME: STORRS MANSFIELD CT
• "Storrs-Mansfield Post Office". United States Postal Service. United States Postal Service. 9 CHARLES SMITH WAY STORRS MANSFIELD, CT 06268-9998
• "7 Day Forecast for Storrs-Mansfield, CT". National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. National Weather Service. Extended Forecast for Storrs Mansfield CT
• "Daily Summaries Location Details: Storrs Mansfield, CT 06268". Climate Data Online - National Climatic Data Center (NCDC). National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. Location Details - Name: Storrs Mansfield, CT 06268

Town of Mansfield

• "Town Manager". Town of Mansfield Staff Directory. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: Mansfield, Connecticut. Physical Address: 4 S Eagleville Road, Storrs Mansfield, CT 06268
• "Town Clerk". Town of Mansfield Staff Directory. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: Mansfield, Connecticut. Physical Address: 4 S Eagleville Road, Audrey P. Beck Building, Storrs-Mansfield, CT 06268
• "Can I reach the Town Council through the Town Manager's Office?". Town of Mansfield FAQs. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: Mansfield, Connecticut. Yes. Requests to the Town Council can be addressed to: Town Council, 4 South Eagleville Rd, Storrs Mansfield, CT 06268.
• "Mansfield Fire Stations". Town of Mansfield Fire Department. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: Mansfield, Connecticut. Station 107: 879 Stafford Road (Route 32), Storrs Mansfield, CT 06268 - Station 207: 1722 Storrs Road (Route 195), Storrs Mansfield, CT 06268 - Station 307: 999 Storrs Road, Storrs Mansfield, CT 06268
• "Senior Center". Town of Mansfield Senior Center. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: Mansfield, Connecticut. Physical Address: 303 Maple Road, Storrs-Mansfield, CT 06268
• "Public Works". Town of Mansfield Public Works. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: Mansfield, Connecticut. Physical Address: 4 S Eagleville Road, Storrs-Mansfield, CT 06268 - Town Garage: 230 Clover Mill Road, Storrs-Mansfield, CT 06268
• "Mansfield Downtown Partnership". Town of Mansfield Downtown Partnership. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: Mansfield, Connecticut. Physical Address: 23 Royce Circle, Storrs-Mansfield, CT 06268 - Mailing Address: PO Box 513, Storrs Mansfield, CT 06268
• "Contact Us". Town of Mansfield Parks and Recreation. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: Mansfield, Connecticut. Located in the Mansfield Community Center: 10 S Eagleville Road, Storrs Mansfield, CT 06268
• "Hours and Location". Town of Mansfield Public Library. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: Mansfield, Connecticut. Mansfield Library Express: 23 Royce Circle, Storrs-Mansfield, CT 06268 - Maple Road Library: 303 Maple Road, Storrs-Mansfield, CT 06268
• "Contact Us - Main Campus". Edwin O. Smith High School. Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut: Regional School District 19. Edwin O. Smith High School: 1235 Storrs Road, Storrs-Mansfield, CT 06268

Utilities

• "Storrs Mansfield, CT Business Internet, Phone and TV Service". Spectrum Business. Charter Communications. Unbeatable Business Internet, Phone and TV for Storrs Mansfield, CT - Keeping your business connected with the communication services you need.
• "Frontier Internet Service in Storrs Mansfield, CT". Frontier > Availability > Connecticut. Frontier Communications. Learn more about Frontier Internet services available in Storrs Mansfield, CT. Call 855-552-9691 to check for availability and get started with Frontier. - Get Frontier Internet in Storrs Mansfield, Connecticut. You can count on Frontier Internet to keep you connected for all your online tasks.
• "DISH Network in Storrs Mansfield, CT". DISH Network > Availability > Connecticut. DISH Network. Find the best DISH packages in Storrs Mansfield, Connecticut featuring the channels you want. - All DISH packages in Storrs Mansfield come with local channels so you can keep up with your local sports team or your favorite news channel.
• "AT&T Storrs Mansfield, CT Deals and Services - Get Connected". AT&T > Availability > Connecticut. AT&T. Serving Storrs Mansfield, CT and surrounding areas - AT&T Storrs Mansfield, CT services for your home and business - Get connected with AT&T in Storrs Mansfield, CT
• "T-Mobile Wilbur Cross Way and Charles Smith - Storrs Mansfield, CT". T-Mobile Store Locator. T-Mobile. 34 Wilbur Cross Way Ste 103 Storrs Mansfield, CT 06268
• "Storrs Mansfield, CT Trash Pickup and Recycling". Republic Services > Locations > Connecticut. Republic Services. Republic Services is a leader in recycling and non-hazardous solid waste disposal. We have waste services in Storrs Mansfield and the nearby area.
• "Storrs-Mansfield, CT Copier Dealer and Managed Print Services". Production Print Systems. A&A Office Systems Inc. Over 60 Years of Workplace Innovation in Storrs-Mansfield, CT and other nearby areas in Connecticut - Authorized Storrs-Mansfield, CT dealer for a wide selection of cutting edge devices
• "Discover Storrs Mansfield, CT". AARP Local Guide. AARP Connecticut. Welcome to AARP Storrs Mansfield

Local Businesses

• "CVS stores near me in Storrs Mansfield, CT". CVS Store Locator. CVS. 632 MIDDLE TURNPIKE STORRS MANSFIELD, CT, 06268 - 8 ROYCE CIRCLE, (TS-3) STORRS MANSFIELD, CT, 06268
• "Dunkin' locations in Storrs Mansfield". Dunkin' Donuts Store Locator. Dunkin' Donuts. 12 Royce Circle Storrs Mansfield, CT 06268 - 1659 Storrs Rd Storrs Mansfield, CT 06268
• "UPS Locations in Storrs Mansfield, CT". UPS Store Locator. UPS. 632 MIDDLE TPKE STORRS MANSFIELD, CT 06268 - STORRS RD SUITE C STORRS MANSFIELD, CT 06268
• "Storrs Mansfield, Connecticut branches and ATMs - Chase Bank". Chase Bank Store Locator. Chase Bank. 8 Royce Cir Storrs Mansfield, CT, 06268
• "FedEx at Dollar General - Storrs Mansfield, CT - 591 Middle Tpke 06268". FedEx Store Locator. FedEx. 591 Middle Tpke Storrs Mansfield, Connecticut 06268
• "Stone Arches Bed and Breakfast - Storrs Mansfield, CT". Storrs-Mansfield, CT: Stone Arches Bed and Breakfast. Come and stay at our 300-year-old historic stone home located only a few miles from Storrs Mansfield and the University of Connecticut (UConn) and Eastern Connecticut State University in Willimantic and even closer to hiking, fishing and boating at Mansfield Hollow State Park.
• "Storrs Automotive". Yelp. 11 Dog Ln, Storrs Mansfield, CT 06268

Of course, myself or other editors could add to this extensive list, but these examples were provided by the user who initiated the discussion. For example, numerous Google Scholar entries by researchers at UConn reference the institution being in Storrs-Mansfield, and other local businesses list their addresses and services areas as being in Storrs-Mansfield.

The other argument the user presents is that "Storrs", as a census-designated placename, does not represent the whole of the community and that the use of "Storrs-Mansfield" in official and legal contexts allows for the correction. The geography of census-designated places, their names, and other factors are known and accepted to have no legal status or correlation with locally understood boundaries and terminology. An interactive map illustrating the boundary for the census-designated place labeled "Storrs" is easily accessible, and notably does not include some campus and community features like the UConn Forest and numerous local businesses.

In an edit summary, the IP user cites a Census Bureau publication, "Understanding Geographic Relationships: Counties, Places, Tracts and More" which suggests that ZIP Code Tabulation Areas exist higher up on the Census data hierarchy than census-designated places do.

It is also recognized that numerous double placenames exist in the United States, and "Storrs-Mansfield" would qualify as both "Storrs" and "Mansfield" have historically been used interchangeably to refer to the entirety of what is now the Town of Mansfield, in addition to the historical use of the dual name "Storrs-Mansfield". The IP user brings up Winston-Salem, North Carolina as an example, whos article itself includes the quote:

Many natives of the city and North Carolina refer to the city as "Winston" in informal speech.

Other editors have cited the policy WP:COMMONNAME, but the policies WP:NCPLACE and MOS:ALTNAME are perhaps more appropriate, since both "Storrs" and "Storrs-Mansfield" are in common public usage. Therefore, simply citing COMMONNAME whilst not respecting the usage of the alternative name in question is not productive nor actually a resolution.

Therefore, I suggest a compromissorial lead section:

Storrs-Mansfield (/stɔːrzˈmænsfild/ storz-MANS-feeld) is an unincorporated village and census-designated place (CDP) in the town of Mansfield in eastern Tolland County, Connecticut, United States. The community is part of the Capitol Planning Region.

Sometimes referred to as Storrs, the village is dominated economically and demographically by the main campus of the University of Connecticut and the associated Connecticut Repertory Theatre.

With other references in articles replaced with Storrs-Mansfield.

This topic is not meant to necessarily usurp the conclusion of the requested move from September 2023, nor to outright support all of the IP user's claims or conduct, but, to highlight why that original consensus may be flawed: Usage of Google Maps comparison (arbitrary census-designated place boundary vs. actual usage), Refusal to consider suggested references (Editor said "I don't care what the 'USPS ZIP Code Lookup tool' says"), and claim that "Storrs" is a locale, which it cannot be as a populated place. Importantly, "Storrs-Mansfield" is not a one-off name, as seen here, so it is not a simple case of destructive editing. The question was also asked in another arm of the discussion "When does consensus expire?" and "When consensus is wrong, how can we improve it?"

I would like to welcome a respectful and polite discussion on the matter that does not include simple denials of the claim or refusal to draw an educated conclusion due to the poor editing choices of one user. Jonathanhusky (talk) 04:36, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

The following thoughts come to mind here...

• In full street addresses, Storrs-Mansfield is used more often. (my guess is that a search that included included 06268 or 06269 in the text *might* tilt toward Storrs-Mansfield
• UConn uses Storrs much more often to refer to its campus, this seems to affect other organizations (like ESPN and other sports news) that refer to that location as Storrs.
• Google Compare is *massively* tilted to Storrs over Storrs-Manfield. See https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&geo=US&q=storrs%20connecticut,storrs-manfield%20connecticut&hl=en
• The difference between Storrs and Storrs-Manfield seems to most closely resemble in Common Name, the North Korea vs. Democratic People's Republic of Korea example, in each case there is a proper name that may be more used by the people locally, but in the global balance, there is another more commonly used name.Naraht (talk) 16:01, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Looks like the 's' in Mansfield was omitted unintentionally there.. see the Google Trends comparison between "Storrs Mansfield CT" and "Storrs Mansfield Connecticut", showing marginally more activity with the CT state abbreviation. The "Storrs Mansfield CT" and "Storrs Connecticut" comparison is quite similar.

Many UConn materials, like this campus map, refer to the "main campus at Storrs" implying "Storrs Agricultural College" - not unlike saying "UConn's regional campus at Avery Point". How do we distinguish between usage of "Storrs" in reference to the community vs used as a shorthand name for the college itself? Jonathanhusky (talk) 00:31, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Additional Comment, in regards to NCPLACE and ALTNAME, IMO, not unreasonable to have it mentioned as Storrs-Mansfield at some point in the lead. For Infoboxes that contain street addresses, it may be preferred. However, it just doesn't seem right in a table of the 19XX season of the University of Massachusetts Soccer team that the away game at UConn was played in Storrs-Mansfield.

(And add in shock that Storrs-Mansfield, Connecticut doesn't exist as a redirect, given that Storrs Mansfield, Connecticut does)Naraht (talk) 22:47, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Looks like the unhyphenated redirect has existed on Wikipedia independently since 2005. It appears to be standard practice to hyphenate double placenames, unless another article like "and" is added. Jonathanhusky (talk) 00:34, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, missed the change to google trends, but it still doesn't show anything with Storrs-Mansfield being used more that Storrs. I don't agree with the implication, I'd be very surprised if "Storrs Agricultural College" was used much any more, or even that most people using Storrs would think that. As for the Hyphenated Shortcut, I'm fine with creating it and labelling it alternate. (Similar to Londonderry). Naraht (talk) 14:24, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

I second the alternate name idea, it’s suitable for noting both names while still using WP:COMMONNAME with Storrs. R0paire-wiki (talk) 14:52, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Created.

More so the grammar of it. No one says "The Empire State Building at New York" or "at Manhattan" - whilst "Storrs" was definitely used as a shorthand name for "Storrs Agricultural College". By the time the college was open, the Town of Mansfield had been established, so that's where everybody understood it to be. Jonathanhusky (talk) 18:30, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

I feel that other schools are a better comparison. All of the SUNY schools are State University of New York at XXX, be it Buffalo, Albany or Oswego.Naraht (talk) 20:42, 23 September 2024 (UTC)