Talk:Strada

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Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was no consensus. --BDD (talk) 16:50, 13 March 2013 (UTC) (non-admin closure)

• Strada → Strada (restaurant chain)
• Strada (disambiguation) → Strada

– This UK restaurant chain is not a primary topic, so the dab page has priority for the base name Relisted. BDD (talk) 20:18, 28 February 2013 (UTC) Azylber (talk) 15:13, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

• Support for reasons stated in the request Azylber (talk) 08:55, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
• Comment many or all of the incoming links intend the restaurant chain (not surprising, since it's at the base name). What's the indication that it's no longer the primary topic? -- JHunterJ (talk) 15:16, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
  • 1) I'm not saying it's no longer the primary topic. I'm not saying anything has changed. I'm just saying that the UK restaurant chain is not significantly more relevant than all the other entries in the dab page.
  • 2) Of course most of the current links that exist in WP pointing to the name Strada are intended for the restaurant! They were created taking into account the current name of the article about the restaurant... And also, almost 100% of the links pointing to Strada are from a template anyway. It's not specific mentions to the chain. It just appears on lots of articles about other chains, because it appears on the template about the chains.

  Azylber (talk) 15:24, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

  Agreed that there's an explanation for why the incoming links intend the chain, even if it is to be moved from the primary position. But the stable arrangement (that is, the de facto consensus) is that the chain was primary. Whether that has always been wrong or is simply recently wrong, what's the indication that it's not (or no longer) the primary topic? -- JHunterJ (talk) 16:26, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

  Compare the page view stats of the restaurant article, vs. 2 other entries on the dab page:

  • Strada 1148 views
  • Fiat Strada 3820 views (3 times as much as the restaurant)
  • La Strada 8419 views (7 times as much as the restaurant)

  Hope this helps. Azylber (talk) 19:06, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

• Support per stats from Azylber. (If moved, please also update the incoming links.) -- JHunterJ (talk) 21:36, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
• Support per nom -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 22:02, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose: It doesn't appear to me that someone searching for the car or the film is likely to input simply Strada into their search, whereas someone searching for the restaurant chain is likely to do just that. If there were a primary topic that could challenge the restaurant chain for use of the single word, then fair enough, but there isn't (unless it's the Italian name for road perhaps, and that doesn't even make it to the disambiguation page). All this move would do is force those searching for the restaurant chain to go through a disambiguation page, while benefitting nobody. Skinsmoke (talk) 16:27, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

  The entry meaning street in Italian was removed temporarily by JHunterJ when he proposed that this requested move discussion take place. You can look at the edit history of the disambiguation page. It used to say something like: "Strada means street in Italian. It may also refer to...". We can re-add it very quickly. No problem. Azylber (talk) 08:55, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

• Comment: I'm not convinced that makes any difference, as there has never been an article on the road/street sense, simply a link to Wiktionary. My comment above stands: nobody searching for the other items listed is likely to input simply Strada, and therefore the proposed move merely inconveniences those looking for the restaurant chain, while providing no benefit at all for those searching for the other articles. Skinsmoke (talk) 16:53, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

  I disagree. It's not just the 2 examples that I gave. There are also several notable people with that surname. For example, you might be looking for Strada the Italian painter, but not necessarily remember that his first name was Vespasiano off the top of your head. Azylber (talk) 02:04, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

  In which case you would surely expect to be redirected to a disambiguation page by a hatnote, unless you are arguing that the painter should be the primary topic, in which case Strada should redirect to the painter. Skinsmoke (talk) 11:53, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

  That's just one of the many examples Azylber (talk) 12:40, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose. All other names on the disambig page are partial title matches, which leaves the restaurant as the only direct title match. bd2412 T 04:08, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

That's completely wrong. It's common use to refer to famous people by their surname. There are 5 such entries. Plus the village in Croatia, which is also a direct match. Furthermore, page view stats demonstrate that that UK restaurant is not a primary topic Azylber (talk) 18:27, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Surnames are themselves partial title matches. The village in Croatia is named Cesta, Ajdovščina. What Italians call it is of no more relevance to an English-language project than what Germans or Russians call it. If it turned out that the Russian name for this village was Olive Garden, we wouldn't displace the restaurant chain over that. bd2412 T 02:50, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

If you look at the pageview stats, you'll see that the figures for the restaurant are a lot smaller than those of several of the individual entries in the dab page (see above). And if you take the combined figures of all the entries in the dab page, the number of people looking at the restaurant chain is tiny. So basically, what you're proposing to do is make it more difficult for the vast majority of people to find their desired entry, just for the sake of saving a tiny proportion of people one click. This doesn't make sense. Azylber (talk) 03:39, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Not at all, because you have failed to demonstrate that the majority (or even a sizeable minority) of those searching for any of the items on the disambiguation page, would search by simply inputting Strada. On the contrary, your proposal would inconvenience those searching for the restaurant chain, and it appears that it would do so purely to make a point. Skinsmoke (talk) 11:56, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

• Support – clearly no primarytopic here. Dicklyon (talk) 03:31, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose. I agree with Skinsmoke and bd2412. I don't think it's been clearly shown that many people (if any) would be searching for any of the partial title matches by just typing "Strada" in the search bar. Jenks24 (talk) 04:18, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

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