Talk:Straitjacket

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Nice start. Isn't straitjacket the most common form? --Mrwojo 20:11 Jan 11, 2003 (UTC)

Webster's has straitjacket and straightjacket; Random House has straitjacket and strait-jacket; OED has strait jacket and strait waistcoat. Though an etymological error, I suppose straightjacket is inevitable, because the thing keeps you straight. If anyone rewords this, remember that alternate forms of the article title are also bolded. Ortolan88

Actually it's called a straitjacket because it keeps you confined (ie, you're in straits). --user.lain 03:08, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Honestly. A page exists for barely FIFTEEN minutes and BANG! there's a link to bloody sexual bondage on it. Is there ANYTHING you freaks DON'T use to get your rocks off? Can I create an article on trowels without fear of this phenomenon, or does someone get off on those? (end rant) -- Tarquin 20:37 Jan 11, 2003 (UTC)

I agree that much more could be said about the institutional use and history of straitjackets. Arguably even Houdini and straitjackets is a more encyclopedic topic than BDSM and straitjackets. I guess it's on my list now for whenever I get past the other eight dozen topics on my list Dystopos 13:37, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Ehem you can personally dislike it all you want but that doesn't mean that people don't like it.

A question - there's an overabundance of BDSM-referenced material in wikipedia. Is it really appropriate to have a fetish-oriented picture on a page that has very little material realted to it, in particular when there is already a sufficient image showing a posey jacket? I think the 'leather jacket' picture is gratuitous and unnecessary, particularly in the context of the article. dbs 16:52, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Possible Removal

I know that lots of people are interested in escapology and might want to try to get out of a straight jacket themselves, but I don't think that disclosing removal techniques on the internet is the best thing to do. Opinions?--Maier 03 00:17, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean by "not the best thing to do". --user.lain 20:01, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Can you state why you believe removal techniques in a public forum are inappropriate or should not be published? These techniques are available in many many available formats, from magic books up through some simple google searches. Why should it not be documented here? dbs 02:07, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for the very late response... Point taken. I guess it is common knowledge, I'm just one that doesn't like the thought of Wikipedia being liable for anything. That's all.--Maier 03 00:57, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

The escape method that you have is simply wrong and dangerous. The part about "dislocating a shoulder" was fictitiously created by "Harry Houdini" and his brother "The Great Hardin" to try to lessen the amount of competition. Harry Houdini later in his career published his technical handling of the escape in a newspaper. To this date, both Hollywood and escape artists around the world continue this rumor to "spice up" the escape. Although, I am not a fan of exposing the truth on how the trick is really done, should we allow a rumor to continue here and possibly risk hurting a would be beginner "escape artist"? I am only here to inform you, I leave it in your hands if you wish to edit it out. LondonTaxi (talk) 14:53, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Popular Culture

In episode 12 of Heroes, Godsend, NIkki/Jessica Sanders is put into a straitjacket and sedated. This could be added into the 'Popular Culture' section, but its just a thought.--Arwen undomiel 02:03, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Colour-coded collars

I read that Posey jackets have different coloured collar loops depending on size. Does anyone know what colour means what? Lady BlahDeBlah 21:27, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

The color labels the size (red = smallest, then green, yellow and blue). 193.190.253.148 06:44, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

"Real" use of straightjackets?

I wonder whether and in what places and circumstances straightjackets are still used today, aside from magic shows and bondage sex activities? Are these still in use in hospitals, psychiatric institutions, and law enforcement? Why or why not?

This is a good question and one the article should address. I believe they are not still in use, but I don't know how to substantiate it. Шизомби 19:02, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

It is impossible to prove a negative but I can tell you that no mental health organization in the US would use it as it would fail JCAHO (ergo, no insurance reimbursement). As someone who has practiced in both the US and Canada for the past decade I can say I have never seen one of these devices. --70.167.14.194 (talk) 18:16, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Straitjackets are still in use in many countries including the USA and Spain . In the USA you need a doctor's prescription in order to obtain a straitjacket. The Posey straitjacket is still used in institutions in various states to restrain patients who could potentially harm themselves or others. If they weren't still being used in large enough quantities why would Posey still manufacture them ? A variety of restraints are used in US institutions not just straitjackets including locking wrist and ankle restraints. According to the Telegraph the Spanish use straitjackets on illegal immigrants.

References

History?

This article would really benefit from a "history" section regarding the design and use of the item. Chubbles 22:07, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Osawatomie State Hospital

Just reading through the article, the whole Osawatomie State Hospital section feels oddly tangential - the focus completely and awkwardly shifts, 'such was the case at Osawatomie...' is too narratorial. This information is only useful for people interesting in Osawatomie, not for anyone curious about straitjackets in general. On a sidenote the whole page could do with some references. 89.243.186.5 22:23, 15 August 2007 (UTC) Zippo

Straitjacket as a fashion Item.

Should this be made as a section? Zazaban 23:10, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Penal use

I came to this article after reading Jack Black's "You Can't Win", where he says he was punished/tortured while in a prison by being made to wear a straitjacket, but there doesn't seem to be any mention of this. Does anyone know anything about this? If it's true it would be a valuable addition to the article, and if not then a paragraph disclaming the use of straitjackets as penal punishments/torture might be worthwhile. 195.137.91.247 22:46, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

The only issue would be whether it is a reliable/useful source or not. Dared111 (talk) 18:00, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Disambiguation Page?

Could we get a Disambiguation Page for this? If someone tries to find a 1964 Joan Crawford movie called "Strait-Jacket" and they don't type in the hyphen, that is difficult to find. I am new to Wikipedia. How do I make a Disambiguation Page? Thanks.LA Movie Buff (talk) 00:19, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Use in mental health institutions

Having spent a significant amount of my professional life in UK mental health care I must seek some references for the claims made in the article about their use in these establishments. The article states that straitjackets were used in "the cure of mental illness". In what way does restraining a mentally ill person cure them? There are further claims about their use in understaffed asylums. This claim needs a citation. On the face of it the idea seems plausible but if you think the whole thing through it is not a viable concept given the number of people presumably required to initially 'jacket' a violent patient. My experience and personal investigation indicate that the press and other media have (for obvious reasons) exaggerated the amount of violence experienced in mental health hospitals and clinics. The idea that these garments were used "extensively" certainly requires a reference. Richard Avery (talk) 07:44, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

It looks like the entire section on history may have been copied from the Kansas State Historical Society's webpage. [1] Looking over the article's history, I found that the section was added in an edit on 13 August 2007. [2] The wording of the older version is identical to the other webpage, and includes the language about Kansas history. 173.66.232.236 (talk) 02:11, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Please just promise me never again! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Seriously mentally ill (talk • contribs) 23:36, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Discussion of "See also"

The following items were added as a "See also" section.

• Handcuffs
• Legcuffs
• Thumbcuffs
• Bondage cuffs
• BDSM
• Testicle cuffs

Given that the straitjacket is a psychiatric device in first place, I find that selection too biased to include without discussion, hence I revert this recent edit. -- Klaus with K (talk) 17:55, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

psychiatric belt buckle?

The last paragraph in History is unclear. The belt buckle article doesn't list psychiatric uses, and a Google search for "psychiatric belt buckle" didn't give any results that seemed to fit in the context. Might the reference be to body belts? BitterGrey (talk) 04:04, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Bump. The link provides no information. Can we get some clarification? 66.87.71.197 (talk) 01:47, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

World Records Additions?

Should there be an expansion to the listings for record-escapes based on alterations? For example: escaping a straitjacket while chained and upside down, as this record was beaten recently by 21 year-old Lucas Wilson of Port Dover, Ontario, Canada. While the situation of the escape is changed slightly, the main focus is still on escaping from a straitjacket -- Redterror117 01:16, 01 November 2011 (UTC)

Posey

This word/name is used without any explanation. I thought it was a "style," but a comment here on the talk page indicates it is a brand name. I think this should be made clear on the page itself. 211.225.33.104 (talk) 07:44, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

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Compulsive masturbation

It's not uncommon among the institutionalized population to find a few compulsive masturbators, which seems to disturb the white coats.

Its most typical use is restraining people who may cause harm to themselves or others.

Is that euphemistic?

Self-harm of this nature was never considered a problem in the sexually permissive Georgian age?

This has nothing at all to do with the excessively long sleeves? — MaxEnt 15:19, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

"ineffective" and thrashing

I can't find the edit in the history, but the paragraph on thrashing around to improve blood flow used to contain a reference to this being an ineffectual method of relieving pooling blood - now there's an opinion with no citation about how all institutions are very careful to monitor patients etc. feels out of place. 82.47.98.38 (talk) 21:12, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

Legality and Present-Day Usage?

I feel like the page is missing information when it comes to contemporary legality and usage of straitjackets (like, are they still in frequent use and if so, where?) that could really help provide context. I'mma put up a template to that effect. 174.0.253.201 (talk) 22:22, 20 November 2023 (UTC)