Talk:Stresa–Mottarone cable car crash

Disaster?

A disaster "exceeds the ability of the affected community or society to cope using its own resources". How is this a disaster? Clearly, the Italian authorities dealt with the incident and its aftermath. No indication that this is a common name. It's just a beat-up by a Wikipedia editor using tabloid jargon. It should be named crash/fall/collapse etc. WWGB (talk) 04:19, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Is there a common name for this incident? Should Category:Cable car disasters be renamed Category:Cable car incidents? Jim Michael (talk) 08:28, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia uses "disaster" in article titles in its more general sense as "a sudden accident or a natural catastrophe that causes great damage or loss of life". This is more broad than the narrower definition detailed in the Disaster article. Most news sources currently seem to be going with "accident" for this one. ----Pontificalibus 08:46, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Accident is rather vague. Also, we shouldn't assume it was an accident, even though it almost certainly was. Jim Michael (talk) 09:36, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

The definition provided by WWGB is one definition. The one definition I found seems to accurately describe what happened, "a calamitous event, especially one occurring suddenly and causing great loss of life, damage, or hardship, as a flood, airplane crash, or business failure." (https://www.dictionary.com/browse/disaster) I believe that the Stresa-Mottarone cable car event meets this definition. Jurisdicta (talk) 03:39, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

I've WP:BOLDly moved the page to "crash" since that's unambiguously what happened, and "crash" is more descriptive of the event than "disaster" and is also supported by reliable sources. Feel free to revert this if consensus disagrees. — RAVENPVFF · talk · 10:37, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Crash is the appropriate word to use Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:25, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Relevant?

How relevant is this paragraph? Could it be removed as it brings basically no information or insight? "The president of the association of Swiss cable cars, Berno Stoffel, explained to Swiss Television that cable car safety regulations in both Switzerland and Italy were identical,[10] due to the prevalence of cable cars in Switzerland, and the expertise in both construction and maintenance."

I decided to remove this paragraph for no objections. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Martin Borsje (talk • contribs) 05:43, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

@Martin Borsje:It's quite relevant, as it means that Swiss regulations basically guarantee safety. Switzerland has a lot (and I mean A LOT) more aerial tramways than Italy, and had the last similar accident in 1970. Likewise, cogwheel railways for foreign routes are very often built to Swiss standards, and thus get a Swiss operating permit. Engineers then just translate the Swiss documentation, append the Swiss permit and then it's basically good to operate anywhere in the world.--Keimzelle (talk) 05:58, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Your wording assumes that Swiss standards are better than Italian and is so tendentious, while in fact these standards are all EU-based all, what the guy on the Swiss TV told in fact. Mow it becomes more clearly that the incident is the result of incorrect procedures and not a lack of, or mediocre or even equal standards, the citation becomes even more irrelevant. So what you say is not necessarily untrue, but for this case brings not more information. Martin Borsje (talk) 18:55, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Alpin Forum reliability

Copying a comment from my user talk page below. Firefangledfeathers (talk) 17:47, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

I do not agree with your revert on the Stresa - Mottarone cable car accident: Firstly I mentioned suggestion and secondly, more important: the contributors in this technical part of the forum are often professionals and I rank their value higher than of many newspapers or on-line media. Please reconsider.--Martin Borsje (talk) 17:42, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

@Martin Borsje: if those professionals publish their suggestions in reliable sources, I would support inclusion. As is, the forum is not a reliable source, per WP:UGC. Firefangledfeathers (talk) 17:47, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

@Firefangledfeathers: Herewith this useless discussion ends. Let's wait and see. --Martin Borsje (talk) 17:49, 16 June 2021 (UTC)