Talk:Stylo G

"Dumpling" - 2019

in 2019 his biggest hit was "Dumpling" but I can't find a decent source to cite as his success re-emerging on the music scene. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.112.177.218 (talk) 17:33, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

NATIONALITY

FOR those who are CONFUSED on Nationality. Stylo G is a JAMAICAN who resides in England. Again, he is a JAMAICAN- born and RAISED, who just LIVES in the United Kingdom. Living in a particular country does not necessarily make you apart of that culture or nation. Claiming him as British is false, he has no British family and he was NOT raised in England... He very much made his name in the UK, yes, but that does not have anything to do with his nationality. Both of his parents, his grandparents, and other family down the line, including HIMSELF was born and grew up in JAMAICA. I want you guys to UNDERSTAND that just because ONE migrates to a different country than their homeland DOES NOT make them the Nationality of the country that they have moved to!!!! I, myself was born in Jamaica and moved to England at 14 years old. All of my family are from Jamaica as well and I am fully Jamaican, not an ounce of me is British and I have been living in the UK for 15 years! STOP FALSE CLAIMING NATIONALITIES on these Artists unless THE ARTISTS THEMSELVES CHOOSE TO DEFINE THEMSELVES AS SUCH!—- which in this case, Stylo has ALWAYS represented himself as just a JAMAICAN man. Voice4People (talk) 13:17, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

It is not just where someone is born, it is where they are a citizen or residing when they gain notability. Stylo G became notable in the British scene, as a British resident (citizenship unclear), therefore he is a British musician born in Jamaica. Per WP:CONTEXTBIO British-Jamaican is appropriate. S0091 (talk) 23:31, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

You literally just said “Citizenship is Unclear”. He was not Born nor was he Raised in England, nor does he have any immediate family member that originates from England, so in no way, shape, or form would he be British. Becoming a citizen in a particular country is now a way of claiming nationality of that country, but again, as you just stated yourself, it is not confirmed if he has citizenship or not, so therefore, British-Jamaican is not appropriate. Voice4People (talk) 00:09, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

It's not about purely citizenship but also residency. He is at least a British resident and Britain is where he has established himself as a notable musician. Please read WP:CONTEXTBIO. Where someone is born is often not pertinent. However, in this instance him being Jamaican is of importance because it is mentioned in most sources and stating both does provide context. S0091 (talk) 00:21, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

The only time where someone is born would not be pertinent, is if neither of their family members come from that particular place, and/or they were born there on a temporary stay and was raised in a completely different place their whole life.. In this case, neither of this is true for Stylo. His entire family is Jamaican- born and raised. Stylo G himself was born and raised in Jamaica. This makes him purely 100% Jamaican. It’s his culture, ethnicity, and primarily what made him who he is today- not to mention that he still speaks Patois naturally heavily with his Jamaican accent. You very rarely hear him speaking with a British accent unless he is really trying to speak “properly”. Please take the time out to do your research before jumping to change edits that you do not have any knowledge on. Voice4People (talk) 00:39, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Also, being a resident of a place does not make you that nationality. I am 100% Jamaican, born and raised. I moved to England when I was about 14 years and have been living here ever since— and I can assure you that I am not British.... If I move to America right now and stay there for the rest of my living years, that would NOT make me American. Voice4People (talk) 00:41, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

It largely depends on how sources describe a person. Using you as an example, if you became notable in Britain and no source makes note of your Jamaican heritage, then being Jamaican should not be mentioned. However, for Stylo G, both are of importance as noted by the sources. (Side note, please read WP:INDENT and indent accordingly). S0091 (talk) 01:14, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Ok, so since you used that example, say I did become notable in England, right— if I am not being referred to as a Jamaican, then in no way, shape, or form should I ever even be considered to be called a “British”, because I was not born nor was I raised there and neither any of my family members were either. You need to realize that majority of Caribbean/West Indian people migrate out of their homelands to the U.S. and other foreign countries for the simple fact of wanting to have a better life... Although having to face numerous hardships and poverty coming from these countries, we are still very, very proud of where we come from and who we are. Migrating to another country does not make you of that nationality- if that was the case, nearly all of us would have multiple nationalities to be cited. If I were to move to China now and live there for the next 25 years of my life, that would NOT make me Chinese. Just because I am a China resident does not make me of that nationality, that would be very ignorant. That would actually be quite disrespectful to the Real Chinese people that take pride in who they are. Voice4People (talk) 01:34, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

I am not sure how you are not getting the residency piece nor the indenting so clear to to me you editing style is WP:IDNHT. Nothing more for my to say. Like I have said before on my talk page, if you do not agree with the guideline, then propose a change after you have taken the time to understand why it exists in the first place. S0091 (talk) 01:47, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

You just fail to comprehend, sir. You’re the one not getting the simple fact that your place of residence does not determine your nationality. I understand that I have been editing some pieces without citation and will work on that. You’re just as wrong for reverting edits that have no citations to begin with- without further adding correct citations. If you don’t have any knowledge on a subject, do not edit or revert an edit at all. Voice4People (talk) 02:02, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Not sure what about Similarly, previous nationalities or the place of birth should not be mentioned in the lead unless they are relevant to the subject's notability you do not comprehend. Nationality has nothing to with it. Also, please do not assume an editor is "sir" (that will get you big trouble here, but not by me...I am very lenient from that perspective). Now, for the 3rd time, please read WP:INDENT. S0091 (talk) 02:13, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Again, I’m not sure why it’s so difficult for you to comprehend that Stylo G’s place of birth is very much relevant to his notability. If you actually did your research before trying to correct people, you would’ve known that. His main genre of music is “Dancehall”, which originates from Jamaica. In every song, he uses his natural Jamaican dialect, Patois— which he naturally still speaks with his Jamaican accent as well. Everything about that man is Jamaican. He just so happened to have been brought to England as a , so that’s where he was able to start his career because he lived there. That does not mean he is British. Stylo himself does not identify as British, so it should not be forced on his nationality. Voice4People (talk) 04:35, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Let’s use you for an example. Say you were born and raised in England and both of your parents and all of your family are from England as well. That makes you 100% British, correct? Now let’s say you moved to Japan because you want to have a better life for yourself. So you end up moving to Japan and you decide you want to pursue a career in music or any sort of famous occupation.... You’re telling me that if you get really successful and make it big while being in Japan, you’re automatically now a “Japanese” just by residing in Japan and having that being the starting place of your career?.... You were not born, you were not raised, you have zero family from, nor any cultural background of any sort of Japanese, so claiming that nationality would be ignorant, no matter if it’s as “British-Japanese” or “Japanese” solely, it just wouldn’t make sense. Voice4People (talk) 04:44, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

First, I had already stated him being Jamaican is pertinent so no disagreement on that point. For the second example, actually yes, Japanese such-and-such may be the appropriate description in the lead given what sources state. You are confusing national identify with actual nationality or residency. Those are different things but let's get back to this article. For Sytlo G in particular, the Guardian states he is a "British dancehall star". He is also Jamaican and described in other sources as a Jamaican artist based in the UK or UK based entertainer (seems British source tend to state he is British, and Jamaican sources tend to state Jamaican). His Universal Music profile confirms he does have dual nationality. My point is, he is both and the lead should reflect that. S0091 (talk) 11:30, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

All it takes is for one source to obtain misguided/incorrect information, and dozens of other sources often follow. I’ve seen this happen numerous of times and with Stylo G it happens as well with the “British” aspect. In West Indian/Caribbean culture, when you are born and raised in one of the countries- and your family was as well, and you migrate to the states or any foreign country, we do not claim any other nationality other than what we identify with growing up- which is our whole culture. Again, if Stylo G does not claim “British” as part of his nationality, it should NOT be appropriate to add to the lead and he solely identifies himself as a JAMAICAN- born and raised. It does not matter what other sources state him as, as many of them are unreliable and edited by writers that lack certain knowledge. After your whole “yes, Japanese such and such would be appropriate” statement, there’s no point in even continuing this discussion because your ignorance is absurd at this point. WHY on living Earth, would you want to even identify with a whole new culture that neither you, nor any of your family is from? and to not claim your actual culture and heritage in the forefront as a great importance? I know a significant amount of people who disagree with you. You wouldn’t even be any where close to a real “Japanese” person and the people of Japan would NOT claim you as a true Japanese. That’s not how it works in “real life”... Even those sources you’re telling me to “please read”, especially that IDNHT one, is not reliable! Thousands of editors on Wikipedia, with a lot being those who just quickly sign up with a fake email and password can just log on and edit any paragraph, sentence, or phrase out of those writings.. My point is, if we’re going off of Facts and Facts only- Jamaican would be the only nationality appropriate to be stated being that; One- he was born there Two- he identifies himself solely as Jamaican Three- He grew up in Jamaica to Jamaican family Four- It is not confirmed if he has British citizen— which would be the only way he would even be able to claim the “British” nationality. Voice4People (talk) 13:57, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Please provide the Wikipedia policy or guideline that supports your stance. S0091 (talk) 22:19, 2 April 2021 (UTC)