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Horrible organization and section arrangement

I don't know where to begin. The United States is not a "cause and effect", and Tijuana is not a country. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pithecanthropus4152 (talk • contribs) 04:15, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

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This has set the United States apart from many other countries where the majority of people live in urban areas

Not true in my opinion. Suburbanization has happened all over the world. -- Klafubra 16:16, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

This article is to much focused on the US. Jeroenvrp 13:30, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Hopefully, my lastest edit talks about suburbanization on a more worldly basis. I might make some later edits describing Suburbanization in my own country (Australia)- Chanlord 05:29, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Reverting to saved version. Let's keep the spelling American consistent Chanlord 05:29, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

What is the difference between suburbanization and counter urbanization though?

Suburbanization was a process mainly undergone in the late 1920s/early 1930s, where people moved out of the inner city areas, but still remained close to the city centre (CBD); counter urbanization has been a slower process of people moving out of the city, into rural areas, and therefore not remaining close to the city. Donuts. LordSarnoc (talk) 18:25, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

I included a citation for the argument that the federal government encouraged the process of suburbanization. I think whoever wrote next in that particular paragraph has a good point to make about differing research on the impacts of interstates on suburbanization, but the paragraph ends up sounding kind of strange.Lbellows (talk) 01:15, 19 October 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lbellows (talk • contribs)

Only in America?

This article is solely about the US. Suburbanisation happens in other countries as well - • The Giant Puffin • 09:01, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh no, the article does mention another country--Tijuana!Pithecanthropus4152 (talk) 02:00, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

That is true, but the US may be the country in which the effect of suburbanization may be the most profound, due to the extent of its occurence and the percentage of the population involved. As the article notes, a majority of the American population now lives in the suburbs, making the suburban experience now the most typically American one. This was not the case in the past, when the rural areas held sway, nor in the more recent times when the cities held the bulk of the population. Although the trend to suburbs certainly can happen anywhere where the conditions are right for it, not every country is so ripe for it as the US is. For one thing, a certain level of economic development is necessary, as is the prevalence of a vibrant and widespread middle-class. Most importantly, there has to be land available outside of the cities to suburbs to grow in, which is not always the case in countries which are much older than the US (and therefore have had their cities growing for a much longer time), and smaller in size.

The majority of the US population only just *now* lives in suburbia? Here in Australia this has been the case for decades. Our first suburbs were created in the 20s and 30s, arguably long before suburbanization started to occur in the US (40s/50s?). My grandmother, who would be 92 if she were alive today, was raised in the suburbs of Melbourne. Can anyone in the US in their 90s make the same claim? Davez621 (talk) 20:56, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Of course they can. American suburbs have been in existence for over 150 years around New York, Philadephia and Boston, and probably other cities in the East. Ed Fitzgerald (unfutz) ^{(talk / cont)} 21:36, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Please name some examples of 150 year old American suburbs.Davez621 (talk) 21:10, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Westchester County, NY. Cambridge, Massachusetts. The Main Line suburbs outside Philly. Ed Fitzgerald (unfutz) ^{(talk / cont)} 00:52, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

The article seems to place too little importance on the role that streetcars and trolleys played in the development of the first suburbs. These transportation modes led citizens out of cities long before cars.BoilerinbtownBoilerinbtown (talk) 20:06, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

I do agree that it's important that as much information be included about suburbanization wherever it occurs in the world, but there can be no doubting that the American experience of it is a significant and important one, which justifies its current centrality in this article. I think the recent changes that have been made help to generalize it more, which is good, and I welcome the addition of any information about the process in other countries, but not necessarily at the expense of the information that's been included about the process in the US. Ed Fitzgerald (unfutz) 03:43, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

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This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as stub, and the rating on other projects was brought up to Stub class. BetacommandBot 16:35, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Added dubious tag to telecommuting and the internet

I marked it as dubious because it appears to me that the internet has tremendously centralized some industries like financial services in NYC

Roadrunner (talk) 17:54, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Financial services have been centralized in NYC for many many decades, it has nothing to do with the Internet. Ed Fitzgerald (unfutz) (talk/cont) 18:53, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Article is very poorly-written, needs complete overhaul

Much of the article is written as though it were someone's personal reflection on the subject, and many sections stray from the topic at hand. An example of poor writing in this article: "The days of industry dominating the urban cores of cities are gone." and "Los Angeles suburbanization continues and America continues to sprawl, (...)" - this style of writing is very un-encyclopediac and needs to be addressed. I don't even know where to begin in the article. Other sections of the article are overly-long and disorganized, such as the United States subsection. The 'Suburbanization and White Privilege' section is even worse. Temeku (talk) 07:40, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

New Editions

I'm planning on making some revisions and adding to this article. I propose adding a section on Suburbanization and Race, as well as editing both the social impact section and the environment section.

Here is some references:

1. Baldassare, Mark. “Suburban Communities.” Annual Review of Sociology 18 (1992): 475–94. http://www.jstor.org/stable/2083463.
2. Boustan, Leah, and Robert Margo. “White suburbanisation facilitated black homeownership in the mid-20th century.” CEPR (2011). https://voxeu.org/article/black-and-white-housing-race-suburbanisation-and-homeownership-us
3. Diamond, John B. “Still Separate and Unequal: Examining Race, Opportunity, and School Achievement in ‘Integrated’ Suburbs.” The Journal of Negro Education 75, no. 3 (2006): 495–505. http://www.jstor.org/stable/40026817.
4. Kahn, Matthew E. “The Environmental Impact of Suburbanization.” Journal of Policy Analysis and Management 19, no. 4 (2000): 569–86. http://www.jstor.org/stable/3325575.
5. The Institute on Race & Poverty to the Detroit Branch NAACP. “Minority Suburbanization, Stable Integration, and Economic Opportunity in Fifteen Metropolitan Regions.” Institute on Metropolitan Opportunity, University of Minnesota Law School (2006). https://scholarship.law.umn.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1108&context=imo_studies
6. Massey, Douglas S., and Nancy A. Denton. “Suburbanization and Segregation in U.S. Metropolitan Areas.” American Journal of Sociology 94, no. 3 (1988): 592–626. http://www.jstor.org/stable/2780255.
7. Shern, Lois C., and Ann C. Slocum. “The Impact of the American Lawn Ideal On Environmental Liveability.” Human Ecology Review3, no. 1 (1996): 102–7. http://www.jstor.org/stable/24706922.
8. Simms, Angela. “The ‘Veil’ of Racial Segregation in the 21st Century: The Suburban Black Middle Class, Public Schools, and Pursuit of Racial Equity.” Phylon (1960-) 56, no. 1 (2019): 81–110. https://www.jstor.org/stable/26743832.
9. WAGNER, PHILIP K. “Suburban Landscapes for Nuclear Families: The Case of Greenbelt Towns in the United States.” Built Environment (1978-) 10, no. 1 (1984): 35–41. http://www.jstor.org/stable/23286006.
10. Wiese, Andrew. “Places of Their Own African American Suburbanization in the Twentieth Century.” Ch. 4 (2004). https://press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/896412.html

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Causes

I'm surprised this article is missing a section on causes of suburbanization. There is a decent beginning in the Crabgrass Frontier article. Daask (talk) 21:18, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

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