Talk:Suckling pig

Suckling

Suckling can refer to any animal, including the human (Shakespeare: "from the mouths of babes and sucklings..."). Suckling lamb and veal is also common in Europe. Maybe this article should be broadened, and the title shortened?Timpo (talk) 06:55, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

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The idea that "suckling pig" is incorrect strikes me as somewhat hyper-correct proscription. I was always under the impression that the term referred to the noun "suckling" and not the gerund form of "suckle". As far as I know, "suckling pig" is by far the most common. The title and wording of the article should be reconsidered.

Peter ^Isotalo 23:42, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

I must agree. The idea that a word or phrase in very common usage is "wrong" is simple bigoted arrogance. Millions of people use the phrase suckling pig to describe the food. Further, the word obviously had very old roots to a time and place where suckling with an l was the preferred pronunciation. Insisting that everyone must change their pronunciation of the word to fit some modern rules of spelling is like asking everyone to call weiners "viennas".DHBoggs 16:00, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was PAGE MOVED per discussion below. -GTBacchus^(talk) 02:37, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

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Sucking pig → Suckling pig — The most common term is without doubt "suckling pig". The objections by certain scholars can easily be pointed out in the lead without the need of renaming the article as a whole. Peter ^Isotalo 18:21, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Survey

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Survey - in support of the move

1. Support. The rationale used for the current title sounds pedantic at best, OR at worst. The noun "suckling" to mean "an infant or a young animal that is not yet weaned"[1][2][3] dates back around 500 years; the etymology is "suck" + "-ling", not "suckle" + "-ing", which is what the author of this piece seems to assume. --SigPig |^{SEND - OVER} 19:11, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
2. Support suckling is far more common 205.157.110.11 22:33, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
3. Support. No brainer. "Sucking pig" is just a typo, for christ's sake. --Yath 04:35, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
4. Support per above Percy Snoodle 17:55, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Survey - in opposition to the move

1. Oppose Suckling is already re-directed so it has not "disappeared" as a term for search. Further, the reference citation, _the Oxford Companion to Food_ is VERY specific in the difference in sucking vs. suckling and the article does note that suckling pig is the more common term in use. So all this energy to switch around the re-direct? Is that my understanding? Also, how does the removal of explanation for the lesser used phrase, "sucking" add to further knowledge? --jadepearl 03:21, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

   This is not about removing information. We're just seeking to move the article to the most common title. The contrived idea that 500 years worth of etymology has all been one long mistake will remain, but it won't be in the form of "everyone has it wrong". Try googling for either term, by the way. You'll see that "suckling pig" outnumbers "sucking pig", and on top of that the latter will include a whole bunch of references to "scum sucking pigs". / Peter ^Isotalo 09:23, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Discussion

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Er... what?

"The word lechón originated from the Spanish term leche (milk); thus lechón refers to a suckling pig that is roasted." The second part of the sentence does not seem to follow from the first. LadyofShalott 04:24, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, this article has some clarity and duplication issues. Aside from stuff like you've already noted, for example, there are two different sections for Lechon in the Philippines, both with similar information. I'll try to get around to fixing them, but hopefully someone will beat me to it. Jo7hs2 (talk) 17:38, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

Pig disambiguation

There are discussions in progress on Talk:Pig (disambiguation) and Talk:Pig which affect this page. Please participate there (not here). Thank you. 69.3.72.249 (talk) 20:57, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Spangelferkel

Do you think it would be a good idea to make a redirect from Spangelferkel (corrupted Spanferkel), since it is in circulation, and even in a book my daughter was reading an laughing (some of "Confessions of Georgia Nicholson" by Louise Rennison)? 71.146.91.54 (talk) 22:58, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Removed POV notice

I removed the POV notice on the "controversy" section since there is no mention of it in the talk page, and I cannot see anything immediately objectionable about the section. If someone does feel this has a POV issue, they should state what in their mind is the issue. Otherwise it seems very difficult to fix the issue or know when it has been fixed. AquitaneHungerForce (talk) 19:06, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Irrelevant “controversy” section

Does every page for every breed and type of livestock need a generic animal rights disclaimer about how some people think eating animals is wrong? I think the whole section should go personally as the cited sources are all about pig welfare in general and have little to say about suckling pigs but I deleted this especially superfluous passage which has absolutely nothing to do with the *specific* subject of this page:

“Pigs are regarded to be highly intelligent social animals. Animal rights groups like PETA argue that this makes their exploitation and suffering in the hands of the factory farming industry especially unethical.”

Colonel Mustard (talk) 12:25, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

I agree. Not one of the sources appears to say anything about suckling pigs as food specifically; they're all just general anti-factory-farming sources. Also, with the exception of the article from the Daily Mirror (a tabloid), all the sources seem to be the webpages of random animal welfare nonprofits and a self-published vegan blog. I looked around to see if maybe there's better proof of a notable controversy, and the only prominent source I found with anything actually suckling-pig-related is a Time op-ed by Joshua Ozersky arguing that the meat of baby animals is not generally as flavorful as the meat of adults (here)—rather a different point of contention, and still not really suckling-pig-specific. Given this, I'm going to go ahead and take the "Controversy" section out. Anyone who wants to put it back, please make sure you're familiar with WP:RS and can actually prove the existence of a notable controversy specific to suckling-pig-as-food using appropriate sources. 🍉◜⠢◞ↂ🄜𝚎sₒᶜa𝚛🅟ම𛱘‎🥑《 𔑪‎talk〗⇤ 11:33, 19 October 2023 (UTC)