Talk:Sudan People's Liberation Army/Movement

Update

Seems the movement is transforming into a regular army. Add heavy weaponry, armament etc...--TheFEARgod (Ч) 11:28, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Religion!

The article describes the SPLA/M as both "predominantly christian" and "secular". Which is it? It cannot be both! -- Steelwool (talk) 08:10, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

This is actually confused in real life, as opposed to just the article. The south is predominantly Christian/animist and a large number of southerners, perhaps a majority, considered the civil war(s) to be an ethnic/religious struggle, though this is distorted by the propaganda used for and by U.S. Christian conservatives and African-Americans, who were both influential in forming US policy in the region. However, John Garang consistently characterized the SPLM as a party of unification, and thus drew the support of Muslims/Arabs in other disenfranchised areas of Sudan, e.g. the Nuba Mountains and the area in which the Eastern Front used to operate. There was always a question if Garang would be able to make the SPLM a national party after the peace treaty or if it would remain a regional organization, which became moot after his untimely death. The article is thus not so much wrong, as horribly cursory. - BanyanTree 08:53, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Oyai Deng Ajak

An anon removed Oyai Deng Ajak as Chief of Staff. I have reverted based on a recent New Vision article where he is still referred to as "SPLA chief Gen.". - BanyanTree 23:39, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Aircraft

The aircraft that can be seen on Juba are not A-5 as eronously mentioned in the aircraft table, but derelict J-6 (Chinese-built MiG-19s) from the (North) Sudan Air Force. They are at Juba airport for a long time. The only serviceable aircraft from (North) Sudan in South Sudan is an impounded Mi-8 from Sudanair ( see http://aircraft.zurf.info/article/creation-south-sudan-air-force for details ).

Major Renovation

This article is in need of a major renovation. It is no longer a rebel movement, but the armed forces of a sovereign state.--RM (Be my friend) 16:13, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Split SPLA/M?

I guess SPLM and SPLA are still quite interweaved, but as SPLM transforms into a regular political party and SPLA into a regular army, I guess an article is needed for each at some point. – Danmichaelo (talk) 07:48, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

They were originally separate pages but they were naively merged about two years ago. The ruling political party and the rebel movement are quite different so I agree, they deserve their own pages. However, someone does have to write up the two pages and I don't know anyone up for the job. -- Secondat of Orange (talk) 22:51, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Also, the SLPA doesn't exist anymore, it was incorporated into the army of South Sudan. -- Secondat of Orange (talk) 22:51, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Wrong, SPLA does exist. It is now the army of South Sudan. It wasn't incorporated into anything. The 'South Sudan Armed Forces' is just an umbrella term for the different branches of South Sudanese military, the only one of any relevance is the SPLA. Thus, the separation of SPLA (former guerrilla/current national army) and SPLM (ruling party in South Sudan) into 2 wiki articles should be done. --Soman (talk) 09:01, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

No, I was saying SPLA was an article in its own right a long time ago. The army of South Sudan is the army of South Sudan, it doesn't offically go by the name "SPLA" because that would be improper. I've already said that I agree with a split but the article is currently too weak.

1. Sudan People's Liberation Movement (political party)

2. Sudan People's Liberation Army/Movement (Second Sudanese Civil War)

-- Secondat of Orange (talk) 06:53, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Look, as of 2012 the name of the army of South Sudan is 'SPLA'. Their uniforms say 'SPLA' and the number plates of their cars say 'SPLA'. The notion that SPLA had transformed into something else after independence is fiction. The reasonable separation is one SPLM article (for the political wing) and one SPLA article (for the armed wing, from 1980s til present-day). The best is probably to start working with two temp article, then to launch the separation once the material is in place. --Soman (talk) 07:34, 7 April 2012 (UTC)