Talk:Suffolk County, Massachusetts

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Origin

Might something be mentioned about the nature of the origin of the names and how they are arranged typically in England compared to that in Massachusetts? Marv101 (talk) 00:35, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Boundary history details

http://historical-county.newberry.org/website/Massachusetts/viewer.htm
http://historical-county.newberry.org/website/Massachusetts/documents/MA_Individual_County_Chronologies.htm#SUFFOLK

• SUFFOLK (selected -- see source for complete)

10 May 1643 SUFFOLK created as one of four original counties in Massachusetts; SUFFOLK included territory in the northeast corner of present Rhode Island. (Mass. Recs., 2:38)

08 Jul 1663 SUFFOLK lost to Rhode Island Colony when King Charles II granted Rhode Island a charter as a self-governing corporate colony and defined its boundaries; SUFFOLK eliminated from Rhode Island. (Bowen, Disputes, 33; Swindler, 8:368)

May 1664 SUFFOLK lost to New Plymouth Colony when a joint commission from Massachusetts and Plymouth demarcated their mutual boundary ("Old Colony Line"). (Bradford, 427 n.)

27 Feb 1665 [27 February 1664/1665] SUFFOLK gained from Rhode Island Colony when royal commissioners set the provincial boundaries of Massachusetts, New Plymouth, and Rhode Island along the Blackstone River and the east side of Narragansett Bay, pending a conclusive royal decision. (Arnold, 1:315)

15 Mar 1690 [15 March 1689/1690] SUFFOLK gained non-county area in Connecticut when Massachusetts created the town of Woodstock. Woodstock lay almost entirely within present Connecticut, the result of uncertain geographical knowledge and disagreement over the line between the two colonies. (Bowen, Disputes, 53-58; Bowen, Woodstock, 1:31)

07 Oct 1691 SUFFOLK continued under the new Massachusetts Bay provincial charter issued by King William III and Queen Mary II [no change]. (Mass. Col. Acts, vol. 1, ch. 27 [1692-1693], sec. 1/p. 63; Swindler, 5:80)

18 Mar 1712 [18 March 1711/1712] The "Old Colony Line" that divided Massachusetts and New Plymouth when they were separate colonies was declared the boundary separating SUFFOLK from BRISTOL and PLYMOUTH [no change]. (Mass. Col. Acts, vol. 21, ch. 152 [1711]/p. 799)

10 Jul 1731 SUFFOLK lost to creation of WORCESTER; SUFFOLK eliminated from Connecticut. (Mass. Col. Acts, vol. 2, ch. 8 [1730-1731], sec. 1/p. 584)

17 Feb 1747 [17 February 1746/1747] SUFFOLK lost to PROVIDENCE (R.I.) when Rhode Island implemented the 1746 royal settlement of the boundary with Massachusetts; SUFFOLK eliminated from Rhode Island. (Arnold, 2:157; R. I. Recs., 5:207-209)

20 Jun 1793 SUFFOLK lost to creation of NORFOLK. (Mass. Acts 1793, ch. 43, sec. 1/p. 272 and ch. 9, sec. 1/p. 314)

18 Jun 1803 SUFFOLK lost towns of Hingham and Hull to PLYMOUTH. (Mass. Acts 1803, ch. 14, sec. 1/p. 246)

06 Mar 1804 SUFFOLK gained from NORFOLK when Boston gained from Dorchester. (Mass. Acts 1804, ch. 45, sec. 1/p. 412)

25 Mar 1834 SUFFOLK gained from NORFOLK when Boston gained Thompson Island from Dorchester. (Mass. Acts 1834, ch. 102/p. 129)

22 Feb 1841 SUFFOLK lost to ESSEX when town of Saugus gained from town of Chelsea. (Mass. Acts 1841, ch. 30, sec. 1/p. 350)

06 Jan 1868 SUFFOLK gained from NORFOLK when Boston gained all of Roxbury. (Mass. Acts 1867, ch. 359, sec. 1/p. 754)

03 Jan 1870 SUFFOLK gained from NORFOLK when Boston gained all of Dorchester. (Mass. Acts 1869, ch. 349, sec. 1/p. 646)

12 Apr 1872 SUFFOLK gained small area from NORFOLK when Boston gained Mt. Hope Cemetery from town of West Roxbury [change too small to display on interactive map; shapefile users see small_changes 1872_pt. for location]. (Mass. Acts 1872, ch. 197, sec. 1/p. 143)

05 Jan 1874 SUFFOLK gained from MIDDLESEX and NORFOLK when Boston gained all of Brighton, Charlestown, and West Roxbury. (Mass. Acts 1873, ch. 286, sec. 1/p. 716, ch. 303, sec. 1/p. 747, and ch. 314, sec. 1/p. 810)

01 Jan 1912 SUFFOLK gained from NORFOLK when Boston gained all of Hyde Park. (Mass. Acts 1911, ch. 469, sec. 1/p. 450 and ch. 583, sec. 1/p. 600)

-96.237.8.174 (talk) 22:12, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Communities?

This article is not clear as to which communities are in the county. According to Category:Cities in Suffolk County, Massachusetts, they are Boston, Chelsea, Revere, and Winthrop, Any reason not to add this to the article?--agr (talk) 09:02, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

I found a better source and will add to the article.--agr (talk) 14:06, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

School districts

@Ajd: Hi! In regard to this edit, I understand that school district boundaries in many places in Massachusetts are just the municipal boundary. The reason why I started a school district list is because the U.S. Census Bureau lists such for Massachusetts anyway in its maps like any other state, and because an out of state visitor reading the article may not be aware of the school district situation in Massachusetts.

The section "Education" could also be used to give a general overview/listing of other educational facilities like libraries, universities, etc.

What I could do in regards to school districts is make a note in an education section that the school districts just follow the municipal boundaries in this county. WhisperToMe (talk) 04:29, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

@WhisperToMe: Hello! I think if you want to add an education section to the article, stating in that section that each city has its own school system would be a sensible thing to do. It doesn't really make sense to list school districts separately seeing as there is already a list of cities (and only two of the four school systems have Wikipedia articles). AJD (talk) 04:43, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

@Ajd: I went ahead and worded it like that. I found the articles for the other two systems, just putting them in parenthenses. WhisperToMe (talk) 04:51, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

@WhisperToMe: I think "each city has its own school system" is easier to understand than "school districts follow municipal boundaries", but I won't push on it. I added a bunch more colleges to the list; though if all the tertiary education institutions in Suffolk County are in Boston, it again feels silly to list them on the Suffolk County page. AJD (talk) 04:59, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

@Ajd: What I did is combine the two (emphasis on the municipal boundaries because in other states school districts cross city and county lines). Yeah, I know in New England counties don't have a lot of emphasis or importance. A reader who is from a "strong county" state (like Georgia) may want to see say a general overview of the education there. I'll see if the other three towns have any sort of higher ed facilities. WhisperToMe (talk) 05:05, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

I found a community college campus in Chelsea. I'll see if I can find any in the last two cities. WhisperToMe (talk) 05:10, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

Doesn't seem the others have any, but I'm glad I found the Chelsea one! WhisperToMe (talk) 05:16, 22 July 2022 (UTC)