Talk:Sun Jian

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Sun Jian was not in fact killed by an arrow, but by an ambush party. On a hunting expedition, he was lured into an ambush created by Liu Biao's men. A large boulder was dropped from above, and both Sun Jian and his steed were crushed to death.

I dispute the birth and death years because online references I have found are conflicting. An anon has just changed it and I don't know if that change is accurate. This link is Broken 21:32, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Firstly, on the subject of death, both versions could be right. Chen Shou stated in the Chronicles of the Three Kingdoms that Sun Jian was killed by an arrow (or even multiple arrows), while Wang Can wrote in his Records of Heroes that Sun Jian was crushed to death by boulders.

Secondly, on the years of birth and death, it is disputed as well. Chen Shou wrote that Sun Jian died in the third year of Chuping (AD 192), but in a few other sources Sun Jian's death year was put to the second year of Chuping (AD 191). Pei Songzhi, the annotator of the Chronicles of the Three Kingdoms believed it was a mistake during the many reproductions of Chen Shou's historical record (which seems likely, the numbers "two" and "three" only differ by one stroke in Chinese). Therefore Sun Jian should have been born in 155 and died in 191.

Hope that helps! :) --Plastictv 12:43, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Sons

Kongming.net has Sun Yi the 3rd son of Sun Jian, not Sun Xiang. (Citation: "Sun Yi – The third son of Sun Jian. He was held in high regards by Sun Ce and was briefly considered as a rival to Sun Quan for succession. He served as Marquis of Danyang before being assassinated by his own vassals. He was avenged by his wife, Lady Xu. ( son of the previous) Sun Song – Served as Colonel of Sound-Piercing Archery. Was chastised by Lu Xun.")

Sun Xiang is listed there as a 2nd degree cousin of Sun Jian. (Citation: "Sun Xiang – A second-cousin of Sun Jian. He served as Prefect of Shou Chun under Yuan Shu and would’ve joined Sun Ce, but he was too far away and could not make the trip. He died a vassal of Yuan Shu.")

What is correct? --Sarazyn 17:22, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Now Wikipedia itself has Sun Yi Sun Jian's third son. -- Sarazyn • TALK • DE 12:52, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Historical Sun Jian

I read somewhere that Sun Jian not only defeated Hua Xiong but also Lu Bu in actual history (not the novel). Is this true?69.236.171.7 12:05, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes; the campaign against Dong Zhuo article goes over that tibit. _dk 12:42, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

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Historical Sun Jian

No, if irc, the annals of Chen Shou actually mention that Sun Jian defeated Hua Xiong - not Guan Yu. I am not sure though about Lu Bu. Meng De

Removed section on video game to here

Sūn Jiān is a playable character in the Koei video game series Dynasty Warriors. He is depicted as a brave, intelligent and persistent warrior, albeit somewhat reckless and hot-headed. Sūn often refers to himself as the "Tiger of Jiang Dong," as he is known to his army and his enemies. He fights with a fairly direct and straightforward sword-style suited to attacks against lone or minimal targets. He cares deeply for and respects his sons and daughter, with Sūn Cè fighting alongside his father in some instances. Sūn almost always wears armoured suits and helms during combat which are lavishly decorated in gold and red. Later designs have featured his trademark tiger stripes.

Sūn is armed with a jian called the "Savage Tiger," with his style consisting of fast slashes with decent coverage and a "Musou Attack" (special attack) featuring a distinctive sliding horizontal slash. In the "Musou Mode" (story mode) tales of every other character, Sūn is killed in combat against Liu Biao. Sometimes he is killed by Lü Gong and sometimes Huang Zu, but always by ambush. However, if the player chooses Sūn Jian as his/her character, he will always overcome the ambush, through either sheer ferocity, the will to survive, or a sudden increase in foresight. Following his survival, Sūn will not only live to witness the end of the Three Kingdoms era, but will also successfully unite China under the rule of the Sūn Family. Like the other "leader" characters featured in Dynasty Warriors (namely Liu Bei and Cao Cao), Sūn Jiān participates in a significantly larger number of campaigns in his "Musou Mode," usually all major conflicts against Shu Han and Cao Wei. Sūn's death differs in each release that features him. In Dynasty Warriors 3, he is killed when a wall of rocks is dropped onto his army by Lu Gong's men. In Dynasty Warriors 4, he is isolated within a castle after overpursuing his opponents and is killed by Liu Biao's men who are waiting inside. In Dynasty Warriors 5 he is critically injured in a hail of arrows and dies of his wounds after retreating from the battlefield and charging his children with continuing the Sūn Family legacy. These various deaths are likely homage to the fact that there are inconsistencies in the sources as to Sūn's true cause of death.

I do not believe this video game information belongs in a serious article about Chinese history. Such sections are not in the history articles of other countries, e.g. Battle of Fort Sumter. If you disagree, you can return the section to the article. Sincerely, Mattisse 20:14, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

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