Talk:Super Nintendo Entertainment System

Merger proposal of New-Style Super NES into SNES article

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I recently did some copy editing and sourcing work on the New-Style Super NES article, and with the resulting work, I propose merging it into the Super Nintendo Entertainment System article since I don't think its content warrants a separate article. From my perspective, the New-Style article wholly fails WP:GNG due to the lack of significant coverage in reliable secondary sources; most articles I could find from reliable online sources on WP:VG/S only mention it within the larger context of console redesigns. While I had minimal access to contemporary print sources, I doubt they would reveal anything that was not already covered by online sources; heck, the article I found on Electronic Gaming Monthly about it was an exact copy of the one from GameSpot.

Considering that the redesigned console only stripped features from the original one, I think it would be easy to explain in the context of the SNES overall without causing any length issues. While I would be inclined to do a WP:BOLD merge myself, I realize a discussion is likely needed beforehand as the article in question for merging into has practically existed since 2009; it was assigned a C-class rating last year, upgraded from Start-class, but the rating was under dubious circumstances. With the amount of content involved, I have a draft ready to act on if consensus is reached. CascadeUrbanite (talk) 08:00, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

• Merge. Few console revisions get their own articles, and this is not a particularly notable example of a revision. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 09:41, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose I'm never one for merging major consoles just because we can. WP:AINTBROKE and just makes things more difficult and annoying to navigate. The exception is stuff like Switch OLED where the internals are exactly the same and it's simply a single upgrade. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 11:44, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

  @Zxcvbnm With all due respect, I think the SNES article needs some significant copy editing, with poorly referenced and unsourced statements scattered throughout (even if they're not currently tagged) to the point that I'm not even sure if its current B-class assessment is accurate. Other than the omitted expansion port and altered AV port, the New-Style Super NES itself is fundamentally similar to the original SNES internally; my draft would integrate the content about the redesigned version into the console's article a-la the article on the Wii, where the content regarding its redesigned variants (especially the similarly cost-reduced Wii Mini) I feel don't overly stress its accessibility and length. While improving the SNES article to have it pass WP:GAN would be a huge undertaking, let alone for a WP:FAC review, I feel that the merge would be an adequate start towards that effort. CascadeUrbanite (talk) 05:09, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

• Merge selectively to SNES. It's a minor revision better discussed on the parent article. Sergecross73 msg me 13:21, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
• Merge Minor redesign. Write about it in the SNES article where you have the context of the original to compare. TarkusAB^talk/contrib 17:00, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
• Merge. Not deserving of a standalone page. Popcornfud (talk) 11:07, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

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SNES pronunciation

In some newer YouTube videos you can hear people call it "snazz" instead of s-n-e-s. How common was this at the time of its release? KhlavKhalash (talk) 14:30, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

I've never once heard it in my life. Source: am old. -- ferret (talk) 16:46, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

This isn’t the best place to ask but I recall hearing that snazz was more common among Europeans.--67.70.103.36 (talk) 17:57, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

Spelling SNES out loud as "S.N.E.S." is the North American pronunciation. In some other countries, such as the UK, it's pronounced "Snez".

This has potential WP:ENGVAR implications for Wikipedia. In American English, "an SNES game" would be correct, but in British English, "a SNES game" would be correct.

All of the above also goes for NES.

And after having written all that, I see this is already covered in a footnote in this article: The name "SNES" can be pronounced by English speakers as an acronym (one word, like "NATO") with various pronunciations, an initialism (a string of letters, like "IBM"), or as a hybrid, like "JPEG". In written English, the choice of indefinite article ("a" or "an") is therefore problematic. Popcornfud (talk) 19:58, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

Surely that would only apply when speaking (i.e. someone from the US may say "...an S-N-E-S game"), but the written rules don't change (it would be written "...a SNES game" in both American and British English. Total Eclipse (talk) 10:30, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

No, the writing follows the pronunciation. We write "a UFO", not "an UFO". Popcornfud (talk) 11:04, 5 July 2024 (UTC)