Talk:Superstar (Delaney and Bonnie song)

"Superstar"

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Since you have the notice of major work on the Superstar (Carpenters song) page, I will refrain from editing and leave some notes here for you, in case you may find them useful.

1. The article probably needs to be moved. The general convention is, when disambiguation is needed, the original version of the song is used, so the article title should be something along the lines of Superstar (Delaney and Bonnie song).

2. You have a note about lyrical changes. There are some slight difference between the original and the Carpenters version. The one of note is this lyric from the original: "Loneliness / Is such a sad affair / And I can hardly wait / To sleep with you again." FYI, this change wasn't unique to the Carps version, but this lyric also isn't unique to the Delaney and Bonnie version. That is to say, the Bette Midler performance that inspired Richard C did not have the changed lyrics, but other pre-Carpenters versions (e.g., Cher's) use the "be with you" lyric.

3. I can't tell if you're trying to document all the pre-Carpenters versions, but, if so, you're missing Cher, who released her version as a single on Atco Records in 1970.

Good luck doing whatever with that article. GassyGuy 04:49, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Regarding point 1, I have worked on many song articles and understand the principle. But in this case, I disagree. The origins of this song are murky and complex - for example, you previously edited it as being a Bonnie Bramlett single (no Delaney), whereas I found references that indicated the reverse, but I wouldn't be sure at all until I saw an actual image of the 45. Furthermore the Blender magazine article that's now listed in Sources, doesn't mention a 1969 B or D&B single at all, and begins the song's history in 1970 with Coolidge driving the development of it. More investigation is needed, I think ... in any case, given all this, it's unclear what to do an "original" disambig to. Since the song is heavily identified with The Carpenters anyway, I think it's best to leave the disambig the way it is.

Regarding point 2, did Midler really stick with the "sleep" line on The Tonight Show? I'd love to see a recording of that ... nothing on YouTube.

Regarding point 3, Cher discography gives it as 1973. Well, looking at http://www.rhino.com/store/productdetail.lasso?number=7733 and http://www.geocities.com/marcapreguntas/chernotes.htm, you are correct. I get the feeling this single went nowhere and had little visibility? And did she change the lyric independently of Richard Carpenter changing it, but to the same thing? Seems a bit of a coincidence, and that there should be a common ancestor somewhere.

Anyway, I am taking the inuse tag off, so that you and others may edit. Wasted Time R 13:27, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• I put down Bonnie Bramlett hastily because I saw that the original version was missing but didn't have much editing time. It was credited to D&B. The only picture I can find is the UK pressing of this 45: http://cgi.ebay.com/DELANEY-BONNIE-ERIC-CLAPTON-GROUPIE-COMIN-HOME_W0QQitemZ4072293381QQihZ003QQcategoryZ45543QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting

which uses the same credit as was given the A-side, "Comin' Home." I'm not sure how it's unclear that this is the original, though. The 45 was released in 1969, which predates the other versions. GassyGuy 19:54, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Much later ... Someone added a YouTube reference showing the original Cher version with the lyric change. This really needs some research to determine who changed what when and whether Richard Carpenter's change was independent or following an earlier one. Wasted Time R (talk) 02:36, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

The change from 'Sleep' was seen as very negative in the UK: basically seen as a cop out by The Carpenters. To us the D&B versions and the Rita Coolidge version were the real thing. The bowdlerized version probably says a lot about The Carpenters and maybe a lot about mainstream USA, in that they couldn't stomach real passion. (Victor Middlesex (talk) 21:54, 24 May 2017 (UTC)).

Jade not this

Guess what, the Jade MacRae "Superstar" that caused someone to create this Superstar (Carpenters song) article in the first place ... is not this song! Not even close ... check out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibfeyVGfNlM ... I will remove. Hunh. Wasted Time R 01:38, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

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title

the current disambiguator seems to violate our usual "most common name" rules. Shouldn't this be Superstar (Carpenters song)? john k (talk) 00:16, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Not a contralto

Karen Carpenter was a mezzo soprano. Period. Pookerella (talk) 03:30, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

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Protagonist is a groupie?

I'm only familiar with the version by The Carpenters. If all they changed was one word from "sleep" to "be", then there's no indication that the song is about a groupie - even if groupie is in the song's title in some versions. The song's about a girl who had a fling with a musician and wants to see him again. A groupie would have sex with the whole band, and perhaps even backing musicians, roadies, security guards etc. to get to the band. There's no reference in the lyrics to anything like that. Many groupies follow the objects of their affection as they travel, yet the protagonist in this song is clearly staying in one place and the fling happened when he played in her city/town on his tour. Jim Michael (talk) 19:40, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Colleen Hewett version

1971 cover, by the lady voted Australia's "Queen of Pop" in 1972 and 1973. This was influential, and probably got more airplay in Oz than the Carpenters' version. Maybe should appear in the list of other covers? yoyo (talk) 06:22, 29 December 2023 (UTC)