Talk:Supreme Leader of Iran

Head of state vs. head of govt.

Tried to at least illustrate the complexity of the situation here. Please feel free to correct. --Jfruh 18:51, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

take a look at the articles on head of state and head of government. there's no universal clear cut definition of the relationship between these two posts and it differs from country to country. i think mentioning the supreme leader as head of state and the president as head of government is perfectly fine. most other encyclopedias have done the same.

The UN does not list the Supreme Leader of Iran as its head of state, and the claim made on the article is not verified. --B.Lameira (talk) 18:59, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

@B.Lameira: Can you give a link, please? --YOMAL SIDOROFF-BIARMSKII (talk) 03:13, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

Here it is: United Nations Protocol and Liason Service --B.Lameira (talk) 21:17, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

Supreme Jurisprudent?

An article on Salon uses the phrase "Supreme Jurisprudent" to refer to this office. Can anyone (particularly anyone who reads or speaks Farsi) comment? --Jfruh 16:14, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

the "supreme leader" is also referred to as "the jurisprudent guardian" (the technical religous term for this position, see Velayat-e faqih). but there is no such thing as "supreme jurisprudent", it's obviously an inaccurate translation or incorrect mix of the two titles mentioned.

Capitalization of "Leader"

Hi there! I moved this page from a non-capitalized page, to one where the word "leader" is capitalized. I hope it wasn't done in error, but if so, let me know so we can fix it again. --HappyCamper 02:54, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

The current title is the correct one. Thanks for the move. Green Giant 23:00, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

editprotected

Someone should stick a {{sprotected}} or {{protected}} on it. 68.39.174.238 11:18, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

I've unprotected to article instead. From the history it looks as if SlimVirgin forgot to unprotect the page when she remvoes the template. —Ruud 17:24, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

'Plain' English??

Having just read the article, I feel more confused than before. Those veeeeeery long sentences, with their many subordinate clauses and parentheses, need breaking up into digestible chunks. Some of the syntax is questionable anyway. 86.137.145.22 11:38, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

changed the pictures

I changed the pictures so the article looks better. I don't know how to resize pictures, but I think this looks alright.

Closed loop

This is absurd, such a loop can be find almost everywhere. As a matter of fact the notion of having checks and balances often implies such loops. I guess the author misunderstood this as a petitio principii (circular logic) which is a fallacy.

There is no such thing as "Supreme" leader in Iran's constitution

The official title is "Leader", according to the constitution. "Supreme" (in fact different Persian synonyms) is often used as a sign of respect,.... This has to be corrected in all the pages and I don't know how. I also do not know why all English media do this mistake, maybe because of the similarity that they think exists between Iran and N. Korea.

needs a transliteration of the title in Persian.

"The Supreme Leader is Iran's Head of State, with the President of Iran being head of government." This directly conflicts with the Iran page, which calls the president head of state.

the president is most certainly not the head of state in Iran. if that's what it says in the Iran page then it should be corrected. most sources call the leader the head of state and the president the head of government.

You guys should sign your name. Supreme leader is the name most widely used in English, (probably because it sounds cool and is used in many sci-fi books and games!). For this reason I think the title should remain, but I've added a note explaining this. Regarding head of state, he is obviously the top authority and hence the "head" of the state.--Gerash77 04:33, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Requirements to be the Supreme Leader?

What are the requirements for somebody to be the Supreme Leader of Iran? And who is the most likely to succeed Ali Khamenei as the Supreme Leader? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.5.148 (talk) 20:02, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Agreed surly how one is appointed to the position is highly relevant to the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.252.65.57 (talk) 15:42, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

See Assembly of Experts — Preceding unsigned comment added by I am Great (talk • contribs) 17:08, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Second Supreme Leader?

Iran has had two Supreme Leaders. Currently the post is occupied by Ali Khamenei. ---

Who is the second, was one appointed, more information please .. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 145.97.202.226 (talk) 16:05, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Khamenei is the second. Khomeini was the first. He's dead. Mike R (talk) 14:55, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Rahbar=Leader?

I am not sure the word "Rahbar" in persian should be translated as "Leader". Its meaning is closer to the english term "guide". and "muazzam" should be translated as "great" or "greatest" not "supreme". 85.97.67.51 (talk) 04:10, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

The term "Supreme Leader" is almost the exclusive translation of the title, and so it is what this article will use. If you have reliable sources that show alternative translations, then they may be included (just as the article states that the constitution only calls the title "Leader", not "Supreme Leader". -- Atama^chat 23:26, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Other Ayatollahs

This article mentions Khoi, Sistanti, Haeri Yazdi, but can someone shed some light on influential clerics such as Shariatmadari (who promoted Khomeini to the status of marja to save his life from the Shah who was going to execute Khomeini but couldn't because in the constitution it states a marja has immunity from death penalty), and also Taleqani. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.80.104.208 (talk) 09:46, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Leader not Supreme Leader

The constituion says 'Leader' so that's what it should say in the article.99.247.60.143 (talk) 17:17, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

• The English translation is the "Supreme Leader" WhisperToMe (talk) 21:53, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Which translation? This version of the constitution talks only of 'leader' - [[1]]. The Ecyclopedia Britannica uses "rahbar, or leader" [[2]]. It seems wrong to me that this article seems to perpetuate an erroneous myth.♥ L'Origine du monde ♥ ^{(♥ Talk♥ )} 04:19, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

Alternative language websites

If there are additional wikipedia articles about this subject created in other languages, these external links should be inserted in them:

• Azeri: http://www.leader.ir/langs/az/
• Bahasa Indonesia: http://www.leader.ir/langs/id/
• Kiswahili: http://www.leader.ir/langs/sw/
• Turkish: http://www.leader.ir/langs/tr/
• Urdu: http://www.leader.ir/langs/ur/

WhisperToMe (talk) 22:02, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Supreme Leader Redirect

Should Supreme Leader really redirect straight to Supreme Leader of Iran? Perhaps instead Supreme Leader (disambiguation) or at the very least a bit at the beginning which gives a link to the disambiguation page. Iamstupido (talk) 08:11, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

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Khomeini Life Span

The list of Supreme Leaders section shows the life span of Ruhollah Mousavi Khomeini as "1985-1902))." Someone should change this to "(1902-1985)," but the edit page is very confusing, and I don't want to make it any worse.

Residence

Iran Supreme Leader's residence is not in Niavaran Palace.the info and the source is not valid. — Preceding unsigned comment added by I am Great (talk • contribs) 17:02, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

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RfC on use of "Supreme Leader" when the title does not appear to exist outside Journalism

It seems that, although the title "Supreme Leader" is widely used to refer to the Leader of Iran, it doesn't exist in the Iranian Constitution [[3]], nor is it used by the Encyclopedia Britannica [[4]], both of which use the term Leader. Discussion on this page seems to have ignored this, because it sounds cool, kinda Sc-Fi, etc. What can be done?♥ L'Origine du monde ♥ ^{(♥ Talk♥ )} 04:50, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

• Nothing - What the Iranian constitution calls him is a technicality. Encyclopedia Britannica is one source out of many. The only thing that really matters in this case is what the majority of English language sources call the guy (see WP:COMMONNAME). As far as I'm aware, he's usually called "Supreme Leader". That said, I haven't researched this too deeply.... NickCT (talk) 14:40, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your contribution NickCT! The Iranian Constitution is cited as the source for this title in the lede, even though it does not contain "supreme leader". I am not an expert either, and find it a little confusing, but WP:COMMONNAME seems to say that Enyclopedia's carry extra weight, and that inaccurate names should be avoided. -

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♥ L'Origine du monde ♥ ^{(♥ Talk♥ )} 15:34, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

@L'Origine du monde: - Ok listen. I'm not going to comment on whether "Supreme Leader" is common or accurate b/c I'm not super well informed on the topic. I will say that if you think there should be a name change, you ought to figure out what the common and accurate name is, then put in a requested move. That would probably be the quickest route to action. NickCT (talk) 15:10, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Update - After taking a quick look at the sources, I'm pretty sure "Supreme Leader" is the most common name. I'm looking for other common names, but I can't find any. Sources not using "Supreme Leader" tend to use verbiage unique to that source (e.g. "Iran's spiritual leader and highest authority"). I appreciate the potential accuracy issues here. I agree that it's sometimes OK to pick a slightly less common name over a most common name in cases where that less common name is obviously more accurate. The problem with doing that here is that there don't appear to be any common names outside of "Supreme Leader". If you have one, you should point to it. Otherwise, I think we stick to "Supreme Leader". NickCT (talk) 15:21, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

"Supreme Leader" seems to be the title of choice, including "outside of journalism". As far as I can tell, the English journalistic usage reflects the Iranian journalistic usage, and Iranian governmental websites in English (http://leader.ir/en). Since this is clearly the most widely used title, and the discrepancy with the constitution is clearly indicated ("The title "Supreme" Leader (Persian: رهبر معظم‎, translit. rahbar-e mo'azzam) is often used as a sign of respect; however, this is not found in the Constitution, which simply refers to the "Leader" (رهبر, rahbar)"), my view is that the usage "Supreme Leader" should remain. Sakuranohi (talk) 20:12, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

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There's no office in Iran as "Supreme Leader"

The "Supreme" in the title isn't a correct translation of the Persian or Arabic word. The closest meaning I can think of is Respected. 'Azeem means great. Ta'zeem is to regard as great, to respect. Mu'azzam is regarded as great, respected. Thus, the title should read "the Respected Leader" simply for respect, hence an unofficial designation, not originally part of the title. Note that Iran-based opposition commonly drop the "Respected" part to avoid -you guessed right- respect. Khamenei's office website (excuse the header) and PressTV almost exclusively use the Leader or the Leader of the Islamic Revolution. "Supreme Leader" seems pointedly popularized in English journalism to further stress his allegedly being "the highest authority and last say in all matters", inadvertently picked up by local English PR.

According the Guidelines, "Ambiguous or inaccurate names for the article subject, as determined in reliable sources, are often avoided even though they may be more frequently used by reliable sources. Neutrality is also considered;" EdelAli (talk) 14:35, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Ĵesus

Peace between you and Israel. Jesus is comming back with a vengeance to those who opose him. You must make peace. Or you shall all perish. Mark mu words. A-men. No nukes permited. 47.55.177.92 (talk) 01:05, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

No reference

Some paragraphs don't have references 91.106.93.206 (talk) 19:04, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

My Love Khamenei

تنها شخصی که آمریکا ازش حساب میبره و میترسه 5.212.50.155 (talk) 11:00, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

بسیج بی ترمز ایران کشور جمهوری اسلامی

گر ایران نباشد تن من زنده نباشد شعار جاودان ایران وکلا ایران در تمام سختی وخوشی همین بود و هست. 46.51.84.179 (talk) 21:56, 2 May 2024 (UTC)