Talk:Surrender of Japan
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Were the atom bombs the main reason for surrender?
editAccording to these Stanford and MIT professors[1] [2], later released docs show that it was known that it was well-known that the main condition the Japanese wanted was that no harm would come to the emperor and that Truman finally signaled he would abide by this only after the two bombs were dropped.
Jewel Voice Broadcast ➡ Hirohito surrender broadcast
editPlease change "Jewel Voice Broadcast" to Hirohito surrender broadcast, per the revent move of that page (because Jewel Voice Broadcast is, it turns out, a 2006 Wikipedia user-spawned neologism).
the intro is too long
editI hope it's not too unhelpful to give general feedback? the introduction is too long but I'm not sure how I'd summarise it. So just leaving it as a general suggestion. FourPi (talk) 06:52, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
Unverifiable Anami Quote
editWhile the quote, "not be wondrous for this whole nation to be destroyed like a beautiful flower", attributed to Anami Korechika is sourced using Thomas M. Coffey's Imperial Tragedy, there is no verifiable record of Anami ever having said such a metaphor in Japanese.
Jeffrey J. Hall, lecturer on Japanese Studies at Kanda University of International Studies, mentions this in a Twitter thread[1].
I believe it would be better to use another quote with a similar intent which would have a source in Japanese, such as citing Sadao (1998), which states (in regards to Anami):
He admitted that "given the atomic bomb and the Soviet entry, there is no chance of winning on the basis of mathematical calculation," but he nevertheless declared that "there will be some chance as long as we keep on fighting for the honor of the Yamato race.... If we go on like this and surrender, the Yamato race would be as good as dead spiritually."
Sadao (1998) differs from Imperial Tragedy in that his work was published under an academic journal (Pacific Historical Review, published by the University of California) as opposed to Coffey's book, and uses Japanese sources (as opposed to Coffey, who uses sources that have already been translated into English). Xylo-xt (talk) 15:11, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
Surrender not unconditional
editFrom the article: "Emperor Hirohito ordered the Supreme Council for the Direction of the War to accept the terms the Allies had set down in the Potsdam Declaration."
The thing is, if there were terms, then the surrender was not unconditional by definition, especially since one of those conditions was that the ruling emperor had to give up the royal family's claim to descent from the Shinto gods. 80.193.98.150 (talk) 14:05, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- I recommend rereading the article. "Unconditional surrender" means "give up, then we will impose the terms going forward"—which is what happened in this case. Remsense ‥ 论 14:07, 18 October 2024 (UTC)