Talk:Susan Boyle/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

Pre-released sales

I don't know if this is relevant, but her disc is the third more sold in itunes mexico, even though it's not even released. I think this hadn't happened before with any disc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.152.190.212 (talk) 14:17, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Small error in very last sentence of biography.

Under the 'Cultural References' tab of her bio, the very last line states that an episode of 30 Rock had a character it's show "singing in the style of Susan Boyle as Liz Lemon and Pete Hornberger teared up." It was actually Liz Lemon and Jack Donaghy, played by Alec Baldwin. Although the character Pete Hornberger was indeed sitting next to Liz Lemon and Jack Donaghy, he wasn't in the shot. Link which takes you directly to the reference on HULU: http://www.hulu.com/embed/5gC-qn56xNFs5nxxR6qe4A/1014 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Theknightb4 (talk • contribs) 04:29, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

This page isn't protected, so feel free to edit it yourself. If that bit's wrong, it should be changed. Robofish (talk) 12:19, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Susanboylemusic

I notice that the claim her album is the world's best-ever-selling debut album by a female artist is sourced to her website. In the interests of objectivity and verifiability, I suggest that a third party source be found for this assertion. Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 10:15, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Found a better reference frm the BBC. Now, having found a reference I see there is no such claim in the article so there is not anywhere to add it. SunCreator (talk) 10:41, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

The worlds best-ever-selling debut album by a female is now confirmed as Susan Boyle in many sources, here is one example Metafis (talk) 00:07, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Album and US concert tour.

I can't make the edits myself, it's not taking them. So can someone change the line that says the Artic Monkeys were the previous highest debut sales, to Leona Lewis(Spirit), who, in fact, had the highest sales before Susan. The sourced article omits this. Here is the wiki article with the correct list. Also 'will give a U.S. concert tour in ' should read 'gave a U.S. concert tour in', as it's now December. Metafis (talk) 23:55, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Ok, its now taking my edits, so I have put in the correct info and added an external source. I also changed the tense of the concert tour info. Metafis (talk) 16:49, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

I was particularly amused by the phrase 'American Dream'. Cinderella from the Brothers Grimm's fairytales is where the origin is, long before there was an American Dream. The latter is of filling your wallett while the Cinderella story is also about acceptance by others and a bit of justice (nasty stepmother and stepsisters).

Me, not originating in Anglo culture, thinks: Too often presentation is placed before content, so it is very refreshing to see that just for once content came before presentation. Every time I see that excerpt showing the surprised judges, I wonder. Wouldn't they have been aware of Susan's act through the preliminaries and the sound checks on the day? Ah, show business ............ 121.209.49.152 (talk) 05:33, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Image

Does the image in this article really meet the Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria (the "no free equivalent" part)? Theleftorium 15:12, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

• You're right, it shouldn't have been used. Now reverted. Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 16:23, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

This http://forum.susan-boyle.com/chats-all-about-susan-topic/473-susans-wikipedia-page-3.html gives Wikipedia the permission to use File:Susanboylefanphotograph.jpg as an image by the fan that took it bingo99 16 December 2009

We are using this picture of her because no freely licensed images are available, or at least, none have been located. Everyone will be quite happy when one turns up, but until this, better to have a reasonable illustration than nothing at all. — Huntster (t @ c) 11:07, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

There's a picture of her in use on her album's page about halfway down.. Can that one not be used for some reason, I'm not sure of the rules :P (Kyleofark (talk) 00:21, 19 December 2009 (UTC))

That is not a freely licensed image. Wikipedia rules state that non-free images of living persons cannot be used unless they are being used to illustrate a specific thing, such as a screenshot from a music video demonstrating a specific point. The image that had been on the album page was there simply for decorative purposes, so it has been removed. — Huntster (t @ c) 01:52, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Personally I think this is one example where Wikipedia's non-free content use policy goes too far...but I'm glad that we've got a free image of her right now. hbdragon88 (talk) 07:01, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Nickname

I removed this field from the infobox since the template docs say "For listing official stage names for the act; also for solo artists who change their birth name. This field is not for nicknames such as "The Godfather of Soul"(James Brown) or "Nippy" (Whitney Houston) which are not the artists' actual stage name." She doesn't use any of those as stage nicknames, so they shouldn't be in the box. Also, to whoever added the "religion" field — the template doesn't support that field. Just letting you know. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 21:14, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

2010

Mentioning of Susan's participation for charity single "Everybody Hurts" for Haiti earthquake should be placed in the appropriate areas. --Cooly123 01:55, 30 January 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cooly123 (talk • contribs)

ALso her USA appeare on America's got talent and dancing with the stars (Aug 2009 and NOv 2009)--Cooly123 02:36, 1 February 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cooly123 (talk • contribs)

The cultural reference to the SNL skit says her 2009 income was $62,000. No - it was "Corned Beef! $900,000,000!". Susan Boyle portion starts at 3:55 http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/celebrity-taxes-mort-feingold/1219755/ Johniel2 (talk) 10:00, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Eagle Talon

Link needs to be piped to Eagle_Talon_(anime) and not the motor vehicle —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.23.54.142 (talk) 23:07, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Nationality

There is no such thing as 'Scottish Citizenship' or a nationality of Scotland, as Scotland is not a sovereign nation, it is a constituent country of the United Kingdom. As such, surely she should be referred to as British? TheStig 13:52, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

See the Wikipedia essay on this complex matter. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 17:03, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

I've read that and to quote it, Under British law, these four countries are an equal union, sharing a common British nationality (see British nationality law). The term "Britain" means "the United Kingdom". A UK passport describes its holder as a "British citizen". Susan Boyle is a citizen of the UK, therefore a British citizen. As I said previously, Scottish nationality does not exist, as Scotland is not a nation, it is a constituent country. ...the opening paragraph of a biographical article should state the person's "nationality". As such, I feel there is a very legitimate reason to change to 'British'. TheStig 09:31, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Read the essay again. What is most important is how Boyle identifies herself. What is next important is how other people generally identify her. What the legal nationalities and countries are and aren't is of least importance. This article is about Susan Boyle, not about British citizenship. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 22:03, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

If she didn't identify herself as British, she would have gone on Scotland's Got Talent. TheStig 11:31, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Well that's the stupidest argument I've ever heard. British people have gone on American Idol. It doesn't make them American. anemoneprojectors talk 13:01, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

We're not looking for what 'makes' them a certain nationality like EscapeOrbit says. If we were, we'd look at one's passport, thus it would be British hands down. As Escape said, we're looking for how she identifies herself. Unless there are reliable sources that suggest she considers herself to be Scottish rather than British, by default, she is British - as her citizen credentials are the only source we have to go by. Nevertheless I admit, the Britain's got talent remark was a rather poor one but far from the stupidest ever. TheStig 20:15, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

What's this British/Scottish thing? I'm a British citizen and a Scottish national. The two aren't mutually exclusive and it's very much a matter of context whether I identify myself as one or the other. I'm sure the same is true of Miss Boyle. Her Passport will identify her as British but her Birth Certificate will identify her as Scottish. -- Derek Ross | Talk 21:59, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

What makes British the default? Right now the only default information we have is where she was born, and who her parents were. No one can cite what it says on her passport. All we can safely assume is that she is Scottish from the information we have, and "Scottish" offers greater detail to the reader than "British". The essay I linked to specifically suggests that there is no uniformity, no default. Really, unless we have new information from a new reliable source, nothing in this discussion is going to produce a good reason for changing the existing description. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 06:49, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

I comment on this just as an "outsider"'s POV. This discussion isn't actually related to Boyle's nationality. It's simply the matter of how we describe her "identity" in the lead. IMO writing "Scottish singer" is acceptable because it gives the sense of her cultural or ethnic influence as being born as a Scottish. Unless there's a "nationality" entry available in the artist infobox, then it will be fine to fill it with "British/UK". -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 08:58, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

That is exactly the point I am making, Escape Orbit. Yes we know where she was born, however there are two approaches to that information, as she was born in both Scotland and in Britain. There is no default, but the only information that we actually have of which there is no counteraction is that she is a British citizen. Furthermore in regards to the Birth Certificate comment, we do not have a copy of her Birth Certificate, as such document's uniformity is not taken as seriously as those on passports. Passports however, although we do not have a copy of that either, having been born in Britain Boyle would have been issued a British passport, as we also know that she has lived here all her life. In order to get into the United States, she would have to of had a valid passport, and any valid British passport does, in every scenario without fail, denote the holder as a 'British citizen', for that is the official description of citizens of this nation. That is the only valid and distinctive information that we have to go on, so what reason is there to keep it as 'Scottish' as opposed to 'British'? TheStig 09:45, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Please do not change the article if you haven't provided a good clear reason for why what is there requires changing. You extrapolating what you believe it says on Boyle's passport is no more valid than extrapolating where she was born and where she lived. So what it says on her passport is not the point, what's important is what is right for this article. Until Boyle chooses to self-identify one way or another, or her actions or fame particularly attach her to one description or other, describing her as Scottish is accurate to a greater degree of precision. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 07:23, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

However, so is British. You said yourself, if there is no source that suggests to us she has preference between British or Scottish, either one is valid enough. As such my point is, her passport is the only information we have to go by. "what's important is what is right for this article" ... isn't that a contradiction? Before you were saying it is how she identified herself. TheStig_t·c 09:17, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

WP:UKNATIONALS is an essay, not a policy as you continue to say, so there's no reason to actually follow it. I suggest you stop calling it a policy and stop changing articles because there is no reason to say that "British" should be the default. Indeed, you are enforcing uniformity. AnemoneProjectors 10:01, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Exactly, as such we must refer to the notes on the issue derived from the MOS, which state;

3b. Where there is evidence of a person's preference as to how his or her nationality should be indicated, this should be respected and the evidence referred to in a note. 3c. Otherwise, if there is other sufficient, undisputed evidence of a person's nationality, such as birth and long residence in a country, nationality of that country may be stated.

...since we don't have a source that points us in either direction, we simply after use her nationality, which is British, until/unless a source indicating otherwise arises. TheStig_t·c 20:07, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

WP:UKNATIONALS is widely followed and a fair guide unless anyone can explain why it shouldn't be. And that says unless there is a good reason to change nationality, then maybe you should just leave it be. What her passport probably says is news to no-one, so you are not presenting any new reason that may change what has been a long term consensus. What her passport probably says is neither the overriding consideration or default position. It is also certainly not the "only information we have to go by". We equally have her place of birth and her place of residence, and if anything they are better information because they are already cited on the article. What her passport probably says, on the other hand, remains uncited speculation on your part. Undoubtedly accurate speculation, but speculation all the same. Scottish gives greater precision because it shows which part of the United Kingdom she comes from. This is equally in line with MOS guidelines on Identity; "Use specific terminology". --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 21:52, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

I have to agree 100% with that. Also, the only thing I can see in the MOS is at MOS:BIO#Opening paragraph, which states there is no consensus for the UK and links to the essay, and says to use the country, which can be either Scotland or the United Kingdom in this case. So I still see no reason to change Scottish to British. AnemoneProjectors 22:48, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

• I agree with the article referring to her as 'Scottish' in the body of the text, but where the field says 'nationality', it should be British. Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 13:21, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

347 million times

The website cited as a reference for the amount of times that the video has been viewed is not reliable. The numbers on the website don't matchu up at all to the numbers shown by youtube. Her video had been viewed 91 million times... Still a lot i suppose, but you're supposed to use verified facts in an encyclopedia article -greg —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.65.20.158 (talk) 22:14, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

If you take the one video, yes, but that number is supposed to represent all of the videos on her singing that song on Britain's Got Talent. There are quite a few and most of them have over ten million views. Silverseren^C 22:22, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Edit Request: NEW ALBUM OUT 2010

I have sources from HMV and Play.com which say a new album is due out in 2010. Tried to edit on wikipedia, but page is protected, so posting it here.

http://hmv.com/hmvweb/displayProductDetails.do?ctx=280;0;-1;-1;-1&sku=144817 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tompilch (talk • contribs) 10:55, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

That an album will be released is more news than encyclopedia content. This doesn't really belong until the album is out and there is something to say about it. ~~ GB fan ~~ ^talk 14:55, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Pending changes

This article is one of a number selected for the early stage of the trial of the Wikipedia:Pending Changes system on the English language Wikipedia. All the articles listed at Wikipedia:Pending changes/Queue are being considered for level 1 pending changes protection.

The following request appears on that page:

Comments on the suitability of theis page for "Pending changes" would be appreciated.

Please update the Queue page as appropriate.

Note that I am not involved in this project any much more than any other editor, just posting these notes since it is quite a big change, potentially

Regards, Rich Farmbrough, 00:14, 17 June 2010 (UTC).

• Most of the contested edits here result from content disagreements. I have not seen any pattern of edits from IP editors or chronic problems in this article which would warrant semi-protection. Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 01:46, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Intro wording

This seems kind of silly to me. The intro states Global interest in Boyle was triggered by the contrast between her powerful voice and her plain appearance on stage. Wasn't the interest created not by a contrast between her voice and a plain appearance, but rather a contrast between her voice and what's generally agreed to be a homely appearance? I mean, I don't know how you could word that to not be, how shall you say, unkind, but this seems to be missing the point. Voretus (talk) 07:48, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Criticism of WP accuracy (refactored)

'The Gift' did not top the UK & USA Album Charts at the same time. It is a Myth. It was No.1 in the UK on W/E 20th November, & W/E 27th November in the USA - by which time it was no longer No.1 in the UK.

Even if she had achieved it, she would not be the 3rd Act, to do so. Led Zeppelin had 2 UK/USA simulatanous No.1 Albums in 1970. Elton John did so in 1973 - and again in 1974. The Beatles did not only achieve in 1969. They also did so in 1964, 1965, 1966, 1967, & 1968. If we go by '12 Months apart', they also achieved it in 1970 - less than a 12 Month gap between their final No.1 of 1969, & the 'Let It Be' Album in 1970.

But, rather than do any checking, the Global Media lapped up a Sony Press Release that wasn't even true. Then Wikipedia repeats it as fact, also.

One can see where Wikipedia gets its reputation for 'accuracy' from! (LOL!). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.22.122.117 (talk) 22:22, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Edit Request: Typo in section 2.3

Can someone PLEASE fix the typo in section 2.3? I'm fairly positive Susan did not sing "Away in a Manager" at the Rockefeller or anywhere else, lol. It's "Away in a Manger". Robo042 (talk) 04:53, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

• That's a good typo! ;-) Well spotted. --Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 06:40, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 2011Gypsio, 12 April 2011

please say that Susan Boyle has 16 children all under the age of 15 and that she was once a scientist who gave himself a sex change

2011Gypsio (talk) 06:03, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — Bility (talk) 15:50, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Edit request 01 June, 2011

I am very new to Wikipedia so if I've placed this in the wrong place excuse me but the inclusion of the "American dream" section seems to me to be wholly irrelevant to Susan Boyle's story - it's addition appears to be little more than an American viewer's attempt to attach the USA to Susan's popularity. Would such a section be included if the country in question were Norway, or New Zealand? If there must be a section regarding a particular nation, surely that nation should be Scotland, not the USA. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.26.199.43 (talk)

The section is about a particularly strong reaction in America, and it's sourced. If there are reliable sources for a uncommonly strong reaction in Norway, New Zealand or elsewhere, we can add those too and change the section's title. — Bility (talk) 18:44, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

The album numbers are wrong her second album has sold 3 million in the US. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.154.28.109 (talk) 22:25, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Glenn Close/ Susan Boyle biopic rumours are false

Please remove the line about Glenn Close as it has been revealed as a false rhumor. Thank you Pumpkin10 (talk) 15:25, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

source:http://broadwayworld.com/article/Glenn_Close_Susan_Boyle_Biopic_Rumors_are_False_20110223

Done. Looks like this can be sourced back to "The Sun", which means it should have been taken with a large pinch of salt. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 15:45, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Refuses to change her image?

This claim has a citation that directs to a news article that's no longer available, but it seems that it's not quite appropriate, as I think most people would say she has changed her image a bit. Yes, she still looks like a modest regular person, but she's definitely been made over and no longer looks disheveled. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.92.76.147 (talk) 14:18, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Susan Boyle having an R&B album is a false rhumor

Emeli Sandé does write R&B songs but she is quoted as having written a classic ballad for Susan Boyle titled This Will Be the Year.

Emeli Sandé “That’s probably my proudest moment. Susan recorded my song, called This Will Be The Year, last week, for her next album. “There is another called River, which I am hoping she’s going to record.

“I haven’t met her yet. I just sent her the song. I’d love to meet her because I think she is a bit of a rock star.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/showbiz/music-news/2011/08/06/scots-student-pens-tunes-for-susan-boyle-and-leona-lewis-86908-23323927/

Here is another quote about Emeli writing something classic (Definitely not R&B)

"Writing for Susan Boyle was a real challenge for me because it was a full song and it had to be classic because people want to hear that from her," she said.

"It was the same deal and Simon Cowell's label like it. It's been recorded, hopefully it'll go on the album and I'm excited to hear how she's sung it.

"We know that she really enjoyed recording it and got quite emotional recording it."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/14528800

Even the original line on the Susan Boyle wiki page about Susan making an R&B album has no true source. The source given says Emeli wrote a ballad for Susan, not an R&B song which seems to be implied only in the title (by a writer from the Sun trying to be cheeky)

original sentences: Emeli Sande is reported to be helping Susan write songs for her third studio album, which is due this autumn. The album is also reported to be an R&B styled album

Suggested revision: Emeli Sandé is reported to be helping Susan write songs for her third studio album which is due this autumn. Emeli is quoted as saying “That’s probably my proudest moment. Susan recorded my song, called This Will Be The Year, last week, for her next album."

Thank you for your considerations in correcting these things and hopefully updating with more accurate information. Pumpkin10 (talk) 15:57, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

"Rhumor"?

The correct spelling of the word is r-u-m-o-r (or r-u-m-o-u-r in BritEng). I wish people posting here would check their spelling; even valid comments look idiotic if common words are misspelled. 66.234.204.13 (talk) 03:48, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Interesting misspelling there. Normally "rh" would denote an unvoiced r which is not a phoneme that most English speakers use. -- Derek Ross | Talk 06:43, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Susan will sing You Have To Be There on AGT

One more thing, but it's simple. A slight add/change on the line about Susan singing on America's Got Talent.

Here is the line on Susan's wiki page: Susan is also scheduled to perform on the results show of the sixth season of America's Got Talent, which will air on August 31, 2011

Here is the change: Susan is also scheduled to sing 'You Have to Be There' on the results show of the sixth season of America's Got Talent, which will air on August 31, 2011.

source:

http://www.aoltv.com/2011/08/25/americas-got-talent-nicki-minaj-schedule/

Thank you again.Pumpkin10 (talk) 16:48, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Release date.

Could someone please edit into the article that the American release date is November 1st? November 7th is the UK release! -71.164.74.114 (talk) 05:04, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

$1, $900,000,000?

Exactly how much is $1, $900,000,000? I'm sure there's a typo there, but since I don't know the exact figure, I don't want to correct it. Caeruleancentaur (talk) 19:59, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

That was part of a Saturday Night Live sketch. The figures where exaggerated for the purpose of creating a funny sketch. Pumpkin10 (talk) 10:25, 5 October 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pumpkin10 (talk • contribs) 10:22, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Removal of Outdated banner

The outdated banner should be removed from the "I dreamed a dream" section, since there is nothing on this page to explain why it was added, and the section deals with events up to November 2011, which is surely recent enough. Bob1960evens (talk) 22:26, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Mistake - mother's age

The mother's age must be wrong. She was 47 when Susan was born (1961). So she must have been born in 1913 or 1914. But then it says she died in 2007 aged 91, so must have been born in 1915 or 2006. Which is correct? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.172.248.28 (talk) 09:55, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Elaine Paige

In the infobox, it says she is associated with Elaine Paige. She has appeared on British television saying that she has been influenced by Elaine Paige and that she is a great admirer or Elaine Paige, so perhaps this could be made more prominent in the article. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 21:34, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Nationality.

User:Luke96241 changed Susan Boyle's nationality in the lead from Scottish to British. He gave no legitimacy in his edit summary, nor did he seek consensus. Referring to Talk:Susan Boyle/Archive 2, consensus was pretty much reached that she be described as Scottish in the lead, this was also reliably sourced. Considering the time that has passed since this change, I cannot revert it per BRD, so I've been forced to raise it for discussion on the talk page. If I have overlooked anything, please point this out in a calm and polite manner. Thank you. --Τασουλα (talk) 19:17, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

I've reverted it back. The edit against consensus was reverted when it was first done, but then re-reverted because the revert was apparently by a banned sock. I don't see any obligation for discussion before reverting it back to what the previous consensus decided. No new case was given for changing it other than one editor's opinion. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 20:14, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Fine by me, FWIW -- I didn't look that deep into the history to see that there was a consensus version. Amalthea 20:27, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

"but then re-reverted because the revert was apparently by a banned sock" I didn't notice, sorry! :) I wanted to tread carefully because of the time that had elapsed between now and that edit Luke96241 made which was a violation. --Τασουλα (talk) 20:30, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Susan Boyle Article

The following alterations to the above article are required to update its accuracy. 1. Susan is not a singer-songwriter. She is a singer. 2. Susan was not born in Blackburn, West Lothian, but in Bangour Village Hospital, Uphall, West Lothian (Birth Certificate) 3. Susan was born the youngest of nine children, 4 sons and 5 daughters (Family Tree, Scotland's People). She has four brothers and two sisters still living. 4. Susan was born when her Mother was 45, not 47. (Family Tree) 5. Susan's Parents were not born in Ireland but in Motherwell, Lanarkshire, Scotland. They were also married in Motherwell. (Family Tree) 6. The demo tape that Susan had made was produced by David Valentine at Heartbeat Studios, Midlothian, and contained versions of three songs, "Cry Me A River," Killing Me Softly With His Song," and "Don't Cry For Me, Argentina." (Heartbeat Studios website) 7. Susan has not refused to change her image. On the contrary, she has had several make-overs and has been quoted as saying that "she scrubs up rather well!" 8. Prior to the issue of her second album, "The Gift", Susan did initiate with her record company, "Susan's Search" a contest which was eventually won by Amber Stassi, a paramedic from New Jersey, USA. Subsequently, they recorded a duet on the album, "Do You Hear What I Hear" and performed it live in New York City in November, 2010. 9. Susan's Father, Patrick Boyle, died in St. John's Hospital, West Lothian, on 31st. May 1999. Her Mother, Bridget, died on february 24th. 2007 in Tippethill House, Bathgate, West Lothian.

I would suggest that the photograph be updated to reflect Susan's new and improved status and appearance.

Gssc10729 (talk) 18:18, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

The following alterations to the above article are required to update its accuracy. 1. Susan is not a singer-songwriter. She is a singer. (I can modify this) 2. Susan was not born in Blackburn, West Lothian, but in Bangour Village Hospital, Uphall, West Lothian (Birth Certificate) (I can modify the false info but I need a source link to add info) 3. Susan was born the youngest of nine children, 4 sons and 5 daughters (Family Tree, Scotland's People). She has four brothers and two sisters still living.(I can modify this) 4. Susan was born when her Mother was 45, not 47. (Family Tree) (I can remove the false info) 5. Susan's Parents were not born in Ireland but in Motherwell, Lanarkshire, Scotland. They were also married in Motherwell. (Family Tree) (I can remove the false info) 6. The demo tape that Susan had made was produced by David Valentine at Heartbeat Studios, Midlothian, and contained versions of three songs, "Cry Me A River," Killing Me Softly With His Song," and "Don't Cry For Me, Argentina." (Heartbeat Studios website) (I have the source link to heartbeatstudios and I can modify this except the demo I believe only had CMAR and KMSWHS. Do you have a source link that says otherwise? ) 7. Susan has not refused to change her image. On the contrary, she has had several make-overs and has been quoted as saying that "she scrubs up rather well!" (I can remove the false info) 8. Prior to the issue of her second album, "The Gift", Susan did initiate with her record company, "Susan's Search" a contest which was eventually won by Amber Stassi, a paramedic from New Jersey, USA. Subsequently, they recorded a duet on the album, "Do You Hear What I Hear" and performed it live in New York City in November, 2010. (Need a source link )9. Susan's Father, Patrick Boyle, died in St. John's Hospital, West Lothian, on 31st. May 1999. Her Mother, Bridget, died on february 24th. 2007 in Tippethill House, Bathgate, West Lothian. (Need a source link) I would suggest that the photograph be updated to reflect Susan's new and improved status and appearance. (I don’t own a picture that I can submit) --Pumpkin10 (talk) 20:37, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

In addition: reference [9]; Susan Boyle's 2009 first audition on Britain's Got Talent had been viewed on Youtube over eighty million times by 2012, not eight million. As of today it has been viewed over 119 million times. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.146.72.123 (talk) 12:00, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Other

I just wanted to point out that her fortune distributed at 300 a week would last for nearly 1,000 years. 11,000,000 pounds / 4 weeks a month / 12 months a year. That is all. 67.6.129.142 (talk) 10:01, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Gnomish edits requested

Section "Early musical training and career", 4th para, first line: a space is needed between "Don't Cry For Me Argentina" and the word at, and the song name is also improperly capped. The entire bit should be, without italics:

"Don't Cry for Me Argentina" at

71.234.215.133 (talk) 09:29, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Fixed. Rivertorch (talk) 10:54, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 16 November 2012

At the end of the article, the following sentence should have the comma removed: In a Season 35 sketch on Saturday Night Live, an accountant (Andy Samberg) doing Boyle's taxes, notes that her income for 2008 was $1 ... A comma is not necessary between the subject and the verb of a sentence. 69.198.84.146 (talk) 19:56, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Done. CE request only. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 20:07, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Boyle's audition video views

It says in the opening that her audition video has been viewed more than 8 million times as of 2012, but simply putting "Susan Boyle" into YouTube results in the first page generating combined first audition views of over 160 million and that's just the first page of one (albeit the major) video streaming sites. Surely the 8 million should be taken out when the total is probably closer to around 200 million. Mc8755 (talk) 00:08, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

This 8 million figure is cited. Your calculation and estimation on the other hand is original synthesis, i.e. combining sources. So unless another cite can be found that already does this it can't be used.--Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 22:49, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Currently the highest viewed YouTube clip of the audition has 124 million views alone; an outdated source for that video when it was on 103 million views can be found here (Reuters), and a 100 million views source here (CBS News). Both are out of date, but nowhere near as inaccurate as the 8 million cited figure. Mc8755 (talk) 13:24, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Yes, the Huffington Post article stating 8 million views of the audition video by 2012 is wrong. It is contradicted by the existing Reuters citation which shows 91.6 million views in the first nine days. After 11 days, other sources state the audition video broke a record exceeding 100 million views. IP75 (talk) 18:46, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Sales

Can we get updated total sales figures on her albums? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skysong263 (talk • contribs) 04:52, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Disability

It is known that Susan Boyle was "briefly deprived of oxygen during a difficult birth". This apparently caused brain damage. One consequence of this was a resulting "learning disability". But a learning disability is only a symptom of brain damage, surely. Learning difficulty is not the birth injury, but a symptom of the injury.203.184.41.226 (talk) 08:21, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

It is now known that she has Asperger syndrome, which is hereditary, and is not known to be caused by birth complications. Paul Smith 132 (talk) 18:26, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

Any reference to a "learning disability" should be replaced with Asperger's. Alternatively, the sentence discussing learning disabilities should state that she "was diagnosed young as having a learning disability, but in 2012 learned she has Asperger's Syndrome...". Similarly, the reference to brain damage - "apparently" should be "was thought to have". Unless there is a current diagnosis supporting brain damage, it should be made clear that any such conjecture at birth has been superseded by the Asperger's diagnosis. In addition, given that people with Asperger's tend to have normal to high IQ (Ms Boyle's is apparently above average), the suggestions of brain damage and learning disability are likely to be associated with Asperger's by the casual reader, with a faulty assumption. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.198.116.80 (talk) 00:28, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Asperger syndrome no longer exists - should be called autism

Per DSM-V, Asperger's syndrome no longer exists, and hence it is correct to say that she was diagnosed with autism, not Asperger's syndrome. Thanks. 123.2.223.96 (talk) 08:40, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

DSM is an American publication. Most diagnoses in the UK are based on the International Classification of Diseases (ICD), published by the World Health organisation. See this article for undertanding where Aspegers stands as a diagnosis right now in the UK. http://www.autism.org.uk/About-autism/All-about-diagnosis/Changes-to-autism-and-AS-diagnostic-criteria/Proposed-changes-to-autism-and-AS-diagnostic-criteria.aspxPumpkin10 (talk) 20:38, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Pumpkin 10. Your article suggests that the UK's ICD are following the lead of DSM-V in making Asperger's syndrome no longer exist as a separate condition. As I understand it, currently it would be called "autism", both with DSM-V and ICD, but that you could, if you like, call Asperger's syndrome a type of autism. A bit like how we went from "manic depression" to "bipolar disorder" a few years ago. People still say "manic depression" but they really shouldn't. Ditto for Asperger's syndrome. If you said that she had autism spectrum disorder, Asperger's syndrome type in severity, then colloquially it would be okay. Alternatively, you could say that she had high functioning autism. Saying Asperger's syndrome without the autism or autism spectrum disorder qualifier is incorrect. 123.2.223.96 (talk) 14:35, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

From the article, ICD has not adopted this change. The next ICD-11 publication is due in 2015. They may adopt the DSM-5 changes at that time, but as qouted from the article "At present we are not aware of any plans to change the label of Asperger syndrome during the next revision. View the very early proposals for ICD-11." Pumpkin10 (talk) 17:43, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Inaccurate information

Under the "other" section:

"Income for 2008 was $1, $900,000,000 for 2009, and projected to be $1 for 2010."

"It was announced 28 October 2013 that Boyle is a new ambassador for Save the Children UK. Boyle released a music video 8 December 2013 featuring children from the FAST program singing "O Come All Ye Faithful" with Elvis Presley." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.138.65.225 (talk) 01:39, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 27 September 2016

Please remove the following side-bar quotation, because it does not contribute to the article, and is unnecessary and unfair defamation of the subject's character. Wikipedia shouldn't turn into a rag sheet of gossip. Thank you.

• • • Start***

I didn't pick up on any unduly troubling signs. She was nervous, yes, but no more nervous than Paul Potts had been before his live final two years previously. She understood the significance of the night. Then, during the final show, at the crucial point when the dance group Diversity won, I looked over at her face and thought: 'Christ, she doesn't know how to deal with not winning.'

“” Simon Cowell, Daily Mail[61]

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99.120.230.254 (talk) 23:16, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Done nyuszika7h (talk) 09:38, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

NPOV

I am not that great at rephrasing items to an NPOV standpoint, but the second paragraph of the lede section needs some serious help.

Boyle's initial appearance on the talent show fired public imagination when her modest stage introduction left audience, viewers and judges alike unprepared for the power and expression of her mezzo-soprano voice. Before she had finished the song's opening phrase, a standing ovation for Boyle had erupted.

For goodness sake, what are we, her personal publicity magazine? Sure, it might be true, but only from a certain point of view. That seems about as bad as if I stated, "Spock's Brain has been regarded as one of the best Star Trek episodes." Well, yes... I don't think it's as bad as some people make it out to be. I'm probably in a pretty small minority there though. Likewise, this paragraph does not belong. I can't really remove it because some other stuff relies on that in the next paragraph. If anyone would like to fix this, please do. -A lad insane (Channel 2) 15:48, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

Oh my. It is a bit over the top, isn't it? And it doesn't appear to be supported by either of the cited sources (currently ref nos. 5 and 6). If I weren't pressed for time, I'd be inclined to pare it down to the barest verifiable facts. (To be fair, I'm not sure your "Spock's Brain" analogy quite holds up, but that's another discussion, I guess.) Rivertorch^FIRE_WATER 16:42, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

I've just deleted that entire paragraph for now. It's probably not the best solution, but it is better than just leaving it there. -A lad insane (Channel 2) 17:23, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

A reasonable edit. Rivertorch^FIRE_WATER 20:21, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

"Homely"

Miss Boyle is described as "homely" in the article, it should be noted that this word has a completely different meaning in the UK from that in the US. In the UK it means simply someone who prefers a simple home life and has no relation to physical characteristics.213.205.242.127 (talk) 09:27, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Not true. -- Derek Ross | Talk 23:12, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 July 2020

Add to the "In popular culture" section: In the 2 May 2019 episode of Brooklyn Nine-Nine, "Return of the King", Charles Boyle mentions her as the cousin who didn't know she could sing until her late 40s. 68.193.81.243 (talk) 15:43, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:02, 9 July 2020 (UTC)