Talk:Susie Maroney

Youngest person to swim the English Channel

I removed this fact from her achievements as it is not (and has never been) true. It stated that she was 16 when she swam the Channel in 1991. This would not have made her the youngest person (See below).

Youngest Thomas Gregory, 11 years 11 months, from Eltham Swimming Club, UK, 11 hours 54 minutes, 1988.

Youngest Girl Samantha Druce, 12 years 118 days (UK), 15 hours 27 minutes, 1983.

Anotheruserhere (talk) 22:46, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Walter Poenisch

This website, which would likely not qualify as a reliable source itself, but which makes claims that it sources to reliable sources, says "Walter Poenisch became the first person to swim from Cuba to Florida, after he swam 128.8 miles in 34 hrs. 15 min. The swim ended on July 13, 1978, when he reached Little Duck Key, Florida." It says that all the facts are "all documented in the GUINNESS BOOK OF WORLD RECORDS."

We source our claim that Susie Maroney was the first person to Guiness Book of World Records, too. Our link just goes to the google books page of the 2001 edition (apparently not full-text unless I'm overlooking something). So it seems like we have a potential conflict within Guinness or... something else has gone wrong.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 16:51, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

This LA Times story may be helpful, as it indicates that "Poenisch clocked in at 34 hours and 15 minutes — though the New York Times later reported that he’d taken some time out of the water."

And this New York Times story indicates that Susie Maroney's claim is disputed: "Walter Poenisch made the crossing in 1978 at age 64, but critics said no independent observers watched the trip to verify that he had been unassisted all the way. Unlike Ms. Maroney, he used flippers. His time was 34 hours and 15 minutes."

Both seem, as far as the sources say, to be remarkable but slightly different accomplishments. I would assume that Guinness is the authority most readers would likely accept as defining who was "the" first to cross. It seems indisputable that Miss Maroney was the first woman, and at least arguable that she was the first to do it, period. But I'm not the one to decide, really - reliable sources are.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 16:56, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

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