Talk:Svanhildr

Requested move

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The result of the proposal was not moved. --BDD (talk) 18:19, 2 October 2012 (UTC) (non-admin closure)

Svanhildr → ? – I would like to change this page name back to Swanhild unless someone returns a more coherent argument for a foreign -r version of this name on an English-language Wikipedia page.

In English, at least in English outside a university class in Old Norse, we don't call Sigurd "Sigurdr" or Gudrun "Guðrún" or Olaf "Olafr." In exactly the same way, this name in English is Swanhild or Swanhilda, in the same line as Queen Matilda or Clotilda; not "Svanhildr." And yes, the name appears in English-language books as Swanhild, not Svanhildr. See below.

One obvious reason not to use "Svanhildr" on the English language Wikipedia page is that that would imply that the name comes from Icelandic or Old Norse, whereas the name was used all across northern Europe.

Here are just three examples of the use of Swanhild as the English version of this name. It is easy to find more. Note that the last cited is a book by W.P. Ker, a great English authority on the period, well known for his command of the English language. Diamond Fairy Book (1878) Myths of the Norsemen (1909) Epic and Romance (1897)

The Dictionary of National Biography published by Oxford also uses Swanhild for this name. Swanhild is clearly the version used in English and should therefore be the version used by Wikipedia's English pages. Evangeline (talk) 13:45, 23 September 2012 (UTC) Evangeline (talk) 14:01, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose. The name stems from Old Norse. Academic sources use Old Norse forms for Old Norse words, well beyond "a university class in Old Norse". Anglicizations present a hose of problems. This discussion has come up again and again, as can be see here: Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(Norse_mythology). :bloodofox: (talk) 15:05, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose - the form appears in modern scholarly style and Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(Norse_mythology) gives some consistency among these articles. In ictu oculi (talk) 00:52, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

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